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It must be hard sitting there thinking to yourself "these people here have no idea what the hell they are talking about", repeating the same answers over and ov

by sauere 12y ago

It must be hard sitting there thinking to yourself "these people here have no idea what the hell they are talking about", repeating the same answers over and over again. Therefore, i think he is handling the situation rather well.

thomasahle 12y ago
It sounds like you have only watched the beginning, when they are discussing java vs the jvm. Later we get snippets like these from Gates' own emails: > "Do we have a clear plan on what we want Apple to do to undermine Sun?" > "I want to get as much mileage as possible out of our browser and Java relationship here. In other words, a real advantage against Sun and Netscape." And in a conversation Bill participated in: > "Apple wants to keep both Netscape and Microsoft developing browsers for Mac -- believing if one drops out, the other will lose interest (and also not really wanting to pick up the development burden.) Getting Apple to do anything that significantly/materially disadvantages Netscape will be tough. Do agree that Apple should be meeting - the spirit of our cross license agreement and that Macoffice is the perfect club to use on them." It's a very different Gates from the philanthrope we see today, but back in the 90ties he was a bit of a dick. It's a bit slow to watch it all, but the entire thing appears to be transcribed here: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/business/longterm/microsoft/documents/gatespart2.htm http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/business/longterm/micro...
- fnordfnordfnord 12y ago
  >It's a very different Gates from the philanthrope we see today, but back in the 90ties he was a bit of a dick. IMO Gates the businessman is just a ruthlessly competitive adversary. I don't even see a conflict between him then and his philanthropic activities now. It was also covered pretty well at Groklaw http://www.groklaw.net/staticpages/index.php?page=2005010107100653 http://www.groklaw.net/staticpages/index.php?page=2005010107...
  - thomasahle 12y ago
    > IMO Gates the businessman is just a ruthlessly competitive adversary. Well, anticompetitive adversary. > I don't even see a conflict between him then and his philanthropic activities now. He certainly seems to be pretty good at both jobs.
    - fnordfnordfnord 12y ago
      >Well, anticompetitive adversary. Touche >He certainly seems to be pretty good at both jobs. I agree, and I am glad he gave us a likeable trait within his lifetime, unlike many of his robber-baron contemporaries and predecessors.

by sauere 12y ago

thomasahle 12y ago

It sounds like you have only watched the beginning, when they are discussing java vs the jvm. Later we get snippets like these from Gates' own emails: > "Do we have a clear plan on what we want Apple to do to undermine Sun?" > "I want to get as much mileage as possible out of our browser and Java relationship here. In other words, a real advantage against Sun and Netscape." And in a conversation Bill participated in: > "Apple wants to keep both Netscape and Microsoft developing browsers for Mac -- believing if one drops out, the other will lose interest (and also not really wanting to pick up the development burden.) Getting Apple to do anything that significantly/materially disadvantages Netscape will be tough. Do agree that Apple should be meeting - the spirit of our cross license agreement and that Macoffice is the perfect club to use on them." It's a very different Gates from the philanthrope we see today, but back in the 90ties he was a bit of a dick. It's a bit slow to watch it all, but the entire thing appears to be transcribed here: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/business/longterm/microsoft/documents/gatespart2.htm http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/business/longterm/micro...

fnordfnordfnord 12y ago
>It's a very different Gates from the philanthrope we see today, but back in the 90ties he was a bit of a dick. IMO Gates the businessman is just a ruthlessly competitive adversary. I don't even see a conflict between him then and his philanthropic activities now. It was also covered pretty well at Groklaw http://www.groklaw.net/staticpages/index.php?page=2005010107100653 http://www.groklaw.net/staticpages/index.php?page=2005010107...
- thomasahle 12y ago
  > IMO Gates the businessman is just a ruthlessly competitive adversary. Well, anticompetitive adversary. > I don't even see a conflict between him then and his philanthropic activities now. He certainly seems to be pretty good at both jobs.
  - fnordfnordfnord 12y ago
    >Well, anticompetitive adversary. Touche >He certainly seems to be pretty good at both jobs. I agree, and I am glad he gave us a likeable trait within his lifetime, unlike many of his robber-baron contemporaries and predecessors.