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Question 1: Why are you convinced? Apart from celiac disease, evidence suggests that there is no such thing as "gluten intolerance", let alone universal gluten

Question 1: Why are you convinced? Apart from celiac disease, evidence suggests that there is no such thing as "gluten intolerance", let alone universal gluten intolerance. http://www.realclearscience.com/blog/2014/05/gluten_sensitivity_may_not_exist.html http://www.realclearscience.com/blog/2014/05/gluten_sensitiv... Question 2: Why do you call gluten "processed"? It is a naturally occurring compound in wheat, and has been an essential part of bread for thousands of years.

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AndrewDucker 12y ago
Regarding point 1 there: "Instead, as RCS reported last week, FODMAPS are a far more likely cause of the gastrointestinal problems attributed to gluten intolerance." FODMAPS which...includes wheat. So the people who thought they had a gluten intolerance actually had a wider food issue which included wheat as one of the triggers.
simonmales 12y ago
Re Question 2: Wheat is processed into flour, which has gluten. No one eats wheat raw.
- Karellen 12y ago
  The "processing" of wheat is simply grinding it, in a mill[0]. The ears are literally just physically broken down into small pieces. No chemicals are added, and ideally no chemical reactions happen within the wheat/flour. Certainly gluten is not a product of the milling process; it is a protein that exists in the original ears of wheat[1]. Also, the process of milling cannot be described as cooking by any reasonable defintion of the word, so I'm not sure what you mean by wheat being "raw" in a way that flour is not. Unless you count finely chopped ingredients as no longer being "raw". [0] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gristmill http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gristmill [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wheat http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wheat
  - brc 12y ago
    You make the point better than I did. I would also add that, by this definition, any animal product eaten is processed - even eggs - which are cracked and then usually cooked. Ground beef is extremely processed - having been butchered and then fed through a grinder. You can theoretically grow your own wheat and grind your own flour. If you can do it yourself without a food factory and secret ingredients, then I don't think it fits any reasonable definition of 'processed'.
    - simonmales 12y ago
      Cool I see your point. In my mind grinding is processing. It is being processed so we can make something something else out of it. Would you eat it on its own? I broadly wipe that anything that can't be done with ones hands is processed. But that opens the question if cooking meat is considered processing. I can't see prehistoric man grinding wheat to make a meal.
      - DanBC 12y ago
        Wheat is used in many recipes without being ground into flour. See cracked wheat or bulgar wheat for examples. Cooking meat causes chemical changes - maillard reaction. http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maillard_reaction http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maillard_reaction Many low tech cultures use carbs obtained from crushing or pulping grains. The reason they don't use wheat is not because of the need for grinding but because of the need for agriculture.
  - undersuit 12y ago
    > No chemicals are added To be pedantic, chemicals are added to fortified and enriched flour... perfectly harmless chemicals that were lost in the milling process.
    - mudetroit 12y ago
      Being even more pedantic, fortified and enriched flour is normally created because the base product was bleached, not because of milling.

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AndrewDucker 12y ago

Regarding point 1 there: "Instead, as RCS reported last week, FODMAPS are a far more likely cause of the gastrointestinal problems attributed to gluten intolerance." FODMAPS which...includes wheat. So the people who thought they had a gluten intolerance actually had a wider food issue which included wheat as one of the triggers.

simonmales 12y ago

Re Question 2: Wheat is processed into flour, which has gluten. No one eats wheat raw.

Karellen 12y ago
The "processing" of wheat is simply grinding it, in a mill[0]. The ears are literally just physically broken down into small pieces. No chemicals are added, and ideally no chemical reactions happen within the wheat/flour. Certainly gluten is not a product of the milling process; it is a protein that exists in the original ears of wheat[1]. Also, the process of milling cannot be described as cooking by any reasonable defintion of the word, so I'm not sure what you mean by wheat being "raw" in a way that flour is not. Unless you count finely chopped ingredients as no longer being "raw". [0] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gristmill http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gristmill [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wheat http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wheat
- brc 12y ago
  You make the point better than I did. I would also add that, by this definition, any animal product eaten is processed - even eggs - which are cracked and then usually cooked. Ground beef is extremely processed - having been butchered and then fed through a grinder. You can theoretically grow your own wheat and grind your own flour. If you can do it yourself without a food factory and secret ingredients, then I don't think it fits any reasonable definition of 'processed'.
  - simonmales 12y ago
    Cool I see your point. In my mind grinding is processing. It is being processed so we can make something something else out of it. Would you eat it on its own? I broadly wipe that anything that can't be done with ones hands is processed. But that opens the question if cooking meat is considered processing. I can't see prehistoric man grinding wheat to make a meal.
    - DanBC 12y ago
      Wheat is used in many recipes without being ground into flour. See cracked wheat or bulgar wheat for examples. Cooking meat causes chemical changes - maillard reaction. http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maillard_reaction http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maillard_reaction Many low tech cultures use carbs obtained from crushing or pulping grains. The reason they don't use wheat is not because of the need for grinding but because of the need for agriculture.
- undersuit 12y ago
  > No chemicals are added To be pedantic, chemicals are added to fortified and enriched flour... perfectly harmless chemicals that were lost in the milling process.
  - mudetroit 12y ago
    Being even more pedantic, fortified and enriched flour is normally created because the base product was bleached, not because of milling.