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Also Internet Explorer, with its incompatibilities, yet very large user base, and Microsoft trying to enforce its own web standards - held the internet back for

by V-2 12y ago

Also Internet Explorer, with its incompatibilities, yet very large user base, and Microsoft trying to enforce its own web standards - held the internet back for a long time. Web apps could have been better and cheaper to develop if it wasn't for this factor.

melling 12y ago
We are still paying for IE. XP can't install a version greater than IE8, which many people and companies still use.
- fleitz 12y ago
  Yes, 14 year old operating systems have limitations, have you tried installing Chrome on Redhat 7.2 recently? How about Chrome on Mac OS 9, or Mac OS X 10.1?
  - melling 12y ago
    I think you're completely missing the point. First, I'm not blaming Microsoft. Second, there are more people using XP than using Macintoshes or Linux. I'm simply pointing out that we're still paying the price for the IE domination of the late 90s early 2000's. At this point Microsoft is paying a price too. Hopefully windows 10 will garner enough support that they can move away from their past also. Their latest versions of IE are actually quite good.
wfjackson 12y ago
Reminds me of the -webkit tags that became the defacto standard forcing Opera, mobile Firefox and mobile IE to support them since web developers can't be bothered to code to standards or update their code. If it works in Safari/Chrome it ships because of their very large user base in mobile, exactly the same situation with IE. http://css.dzone.com/articles/why-webkit-new-ie6-trap-vendor http://css.dzone.com/articles/why-webkit-new-ie6-trap-vendor http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/australian-technology/the-webkit-prefix-will-ruin-the-mobile-web/ http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/australian-technology/the-w... Not to mention Chrome developers "trying to enforce their own web standards": https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7184912 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7184912 Progress on web standards have always been spearheaded by browser implementations before being standardized, there were many non standard extensions that Netscape implemented that IE had to add support back in the day. IE6 was a particularly bad issue because major browser releases were tied to Windows releases and Longhorn/Vista had to be reset and delayed.
- V-2 12y ago
  Yes. I am not saying that Microsoft has monopoly for this. But they had better leverage than anybody else in the desktop era (thanks to the way IE was bundled with Windows) and did it for large scale. Which made them disliked. I'm not a supporter of Google, which is becoming more of a bad guy than Microsoft these days.

by V-2 12y ago

melling 12y ago

We are still paying for IE. XP can't install a version greater than IE8, which many people and companies still use.

fleitz 12y ago
Yes, 14 year old operating systems have limitations, have you tried installing Chrome on Redhat 7.2 recently? How about Chrome on Mac OS 9, or Mac OS X 10.1?
- melling 12y ago
  I think you're completely missing the point. First, I'm not blaming Microsoft. Second, there are more people using XP than using Macintoshes or Linux. I'm simply pointing out that we're still paying the price for the IE domination of the late 90s early 2000's. At this point Microsoft is paying a price too. Hopefully windows 10 will garner enough support that they can move away from their past also. Their latest versions of IE are actually quite good.

wfjackson 12y ago

Reminds me of the -webkit tags that became the defacto standard forcing Opera, mobile Firefox and mobile IE to support them since web developers can't be bothered to code to standards or update their code. If it works in Safari/Chrome it ships because of their very large user base in mobile, exactly the same situation with IE. http://css.dzone.com/articles/why-webkit-new-ie6-trap-vendor http://css.dzone.com/articles/why-webkit-new-ie6-trap-vendor http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/australian-technology/the-webkit-prefix-will-ruin-the-mobile-web/ http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/australian-technology/the-w... Not to mention Chrome developers "trying to enforce their own web standards": https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7184912 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7184912 Progress on web standards have always been spearheaded by browser implementations before being standardized, there were many non standard extensions that Netscape implemented that IE had to add support back in the day. IE6 was a particularly bad issue because major browser releases were tied to Windows releases and Longhorn/Vista had to be reset and delayed.

V-2 12y ago
Yes. I am not saying that Microsoft has monopoly for this. But they had better leverage than anybody else in the desktop era (thanks to the way IE was bundled with Windows) and did it for large scale. Which made them disliked. I'm not a supporter of Google, which is becoming more of a bad guy than Microsoft these days.