I agree with you 100%. This is why I began just vouching for micro-frameworks. Even that comes with hidden debt in the form of plugins or modules written by it'

I agree with you 100%. This is why I began just vouching for micro-frameworks. Even that comes with hidden debt in the form of plugins or modules written by it's communities but it's a step above the 'write a shopping cart website in 5 minutes' type of framework. I'm very happy with Flask because it complete gets out of the way, it's up to you to deal with pesistence, models. You choose your own sins type of approach.