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>Unemployment in Spain is 24.5% right now. Yes, but AFAIK developers are exceptions - at least in Catalonia. Especially experienced ones. Depends on how much s

by zerr 12y ago

>Unemployment in Spain is 24.5% right now. Yes, but AFAIK developers are exceptions - at least in Catalonia. Especially experienced ones. Depends on how much salary is acceptable. As I researched, for senior devs, it is 35-45K EUR/annual, which is rather low... He may as well consider consulting.

pjgomez 12y ago
I agree, I don't think there is crisis in IT in Spain as a whole, but our recent banking industry restructuration is dumping into the market a good amount of middle-age experienced developers and analysts.
FranOntanaya 12y ago
Although that's correct, IT opportunities depend a lot of on businesses having plenty of activity and, in a sense, an expectation of having to scale up in the near future. That's definitely not the case in Spain. When I was young(er), a lot of dev work in Spain looked like just building business database interfaces. My hunch (based in practically zero facts), is that many devs have been stuck there until those jobs ran out, and their skills may not fully align with more generic app problem solving.
Kurtz79 12y ago
Unfortunately it seems to me that consulting is not really a thing in Spain. There are a lot of consulting jobs, but they are usually the domain of consulting companies (known as "cárnicas", meat factories, among developers), that do little more than acting as a middlemen between the hire and the actual company, pocketing the substantial difference between the consulting fees and paid salary. But I work in a more traditional environment and possibly this is different in the case of web development.
- pt765756 12y ago
  > There are a lot of consulting jobs, but they are usually the domain of consulting companies (known as "cárnicas", meat factories, among developers), that do little more than acting as a middlemen between the hire and the actual company, pocketing the substantial difference between the consulting fees and paid salary. This also describes the situation in Portugal almost perfectly with the difference that we call those companies "negreiros" (slave traders).

by zerr 12y ago

pjgomez 12y ago

I agree, I don't think there is crisis in IT in Spain as a whole, but our recent banking industry restructuration is dumping into the market a good amount of middle-age experienced developers and analysts.

FranOntanaya 12y ago

Although that's correct, IT opportunities depend a lot of on businesses having plenty of activity and, in a sense, an expectation of having to scale up in the near future. That's definitely not the case in Spain. When I was young(er), a lot of dev work in Spain looked like just building business database interfaces. My hunch (based in practically zero facts), is that many devs have been stuck there until those jobs ran out, and their skills may not fully align with more generic app problem solving.

Kurtz79 12y ago

Unfortunately it seems to me that consulting is not really a thing in Spain. There are a lot of consulting jobs, but they are usually the domain of consulting companies (known as "cárnicas", meat factories, among developers), that do little more than acting as a middlemen between the hire and the actual company, pocketing the substantial difference between the consulting fees and paid salary. But I work in a more traditional environment and possibly this is different in the case of web development.

pt765756 12y ago
> There are a lot of consulting jobs, but they are usually the domain of consulting companies (known as "cárnicas", meat factories, among developers), that do little more than acting as a middlemen between the hire and the actual company, pocketing the substantial difference between the consulting fees and paid salary. This also describes the situation in Portugal almost perfectly with the difference that we call those companies "negreiros" (slave traders).