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Intel pulled advertising from Gamasutra under pressure from these people, some women independent game developers have "ragequit"(read: harassed beyond belief so

by rtpg 12y ago

Intel pulled advertising from Gamasutra under pressure from these people, some women independent game developers have "ragequit"(read: harassed beyond belief so did the only logical thing) from twitter and the like. It's violent if you follow the independent games scene These are also the same group of people who forced Phil Fish off the internet, basically.

ANTSANTS 12y ago
Intel pulled advertising from Gamasutra because they directly insulted a customer group that is very important to their brand. Intel didn't cave under pressure, they simply acted rationally to a media outlet committing brand suicide. http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/224400/Gamers_dont_have_to_be_your_audience_Gamers_are_over.php http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/224400/Gamers_dont_have_t... Phil Fish forced himself off the internet by being a contemptible jackass with an ego to rival that of Kanye West who fights with his coworkers, publicly shat on an aspiring Japanese game dev during a Q&A panel that asked him a polite question regarding his thoughts on their country's games, says that gamers are "the worst fucking people," tells people to "suck his dick, choke on it" then claims to be a feminist without a hint of irony, completely and utterly lacks self awareness, and just generally can't go a fucking day without throwing a tantrum on twitter. EDIT: Oh neat, my other post in this thread, a collection of links from an opposing perspective, was flagkilled. Way to flag/downvote for disagreement, redd-I mean Hacker News.
- judk 12y ago
  I'll down vote you for dragging reddit into this for no reason.
- knowtheory 12y ago
  > Phil Fish forced himself off the internet by being a contemptible jackass So he totally deserved what was coming to him when GamerGate leaked his bank details and social security number to the public!</derp> Even if someone is an asshole that doesn't legitimize harming them. This is exactly what is wrong with Gamergate.
  - ANTSANTS 12y ago
    I didn't know about that, and I agree, no one deserves to be "doxed." By "forced off the internet," I thought the GP was referring to Phil Fish's regular practice of throwing temper tantrums and "cancelling Fez 2" or "leaving the industry" every other week. I think the vast majority of GamerGate supporters would agree with me about that; I check up on GG threads every day, and it's pretty clear that no one supports harming people. In fact, almost no one ever brings doxing up. On the rare occasion someone does, they're called an idiot, accused of "false flagging" (ie someone anti-GG pretending to support GG with threats of violence to make the movement look bad. yes, this has happened, people have been caught making violent comments just to take a screenshot that "proves" how evil GG is), and their posts are deleted pretty quickly. 99% of the focus now is on contacting advertisers and showing people all of the horrible things that the "journalists" in question say and do (like "nerds should be constantly shamed and degraded into submission. bring back bullying"). When someone actually does get doxed, the overwhelming reaction is not "fuck yeah, patriarchy" but "what the hell are you doing, idiot?" The current suspicion is that GNAA (you know, the people that were in the news semi-recently for harassing Kathy Sierra) is behind most of the death threats and doxing. It's like a "double troll" for wackjobs like them: They get an excuse to harass people while another group takes all the flak for it. Everyone's mad! But hey, that's just my two cents. You can bring on the downvotes now, echo chamber.
    - knowtheory 12y ago
      Here's the thing. Even if GNAA is trolling everyone, GamerGate is a terrible excuse for letting them continue a reign of terror. Even if there were corruption in game journalism, video game journalism is so meaninglessly inconsequential that it wouldn't countenance the death threats, doxxing and harassment that is being done under it's aegis. Do you know anybody who makes purchasing decisions based on how high a score a game reviewer gives it? Do you? It just seems unfathomable to me in a world where we have Steam, Twitch, Project Greenlight, Humble Bundle & indie games galore that video game journalism matters enough that it should be destroyed. It just seems like Gamergate is bullshit from top to bottom, and it's completely mystifying to me why anyone who loves games should want to identify with it.
slash3r 12y ago
You seem to believe that Intel can be intimidated by internet trolls. It also seems that you don't know nothing about Phil Fish and that almost (if not all) the awards that Fez won were from the investors of Fez themselves. [don't get me wrong, I actually loved Fez] (let the downvotes pour)
- rtpg 12y ago
  Intel did drop their ads http://www.theverge.com/2014/10/2/6886747/intel-buckles-to-anti-feminist-campaign-by-pulling-ads-from-gaming http://www.theverge.com/2014/10/2/6886747/intel-buckles-to-a...
- ijk 12y ago
  The accusations about Phil Fish, Fez, Polytron's investors, and the IGF judging process are blatantly false. It's a conspiracy theory that's mostly based on misinformation about the IGF voting process and misinterpretation of dates. http://igf.com/2014/09/igf_statement_re_judging_proce.html http://igf.com/2014/09/igf_statement_re_judging_proce.html
  - slash3r 12y ago
    The issue is about IGF lying and you give me a link to an IGF article to prove your point. They have their right to defend themselves, but that doesn't mean that whatever they say in their defense is actually true. Everything should be taken with a grain of salt, and more than one independent report should be taken into consideration when forming an opinion, especially on controversial topics.
    - ijk 12y ago
      Well, there's the small matter that the backers weren't actually on the 2012 jury. [1] And the fact that Fez got its first win before IndieFund existed. [2] And the video that made the original accusation against Phil Fish was taken down, probably because it was a combination of libel and evidence of the illegal hacking. So it's become a source-less accusation that gets trotted out with no evidence to support it, as it was here. [1] http://theflounce.com/gamergate-seem-understand-ethics-nearly-well-thinks/ http://theflounce.com/gamergate-seem-understand-ethics-nearl... [2] https://twitter.com/Jonathan_Blow/status/508734779617849344 https://twitter.com/Jonathan_Blow/status/508734779617849344
slash3r 12y ago
I'll reply here because apparently I can't reply to your response. "Because everything that is written on the internet is true". Let's think a little: Intel pulled their ads because they got intimidated by a handful of trolls, yet they didn't returned after it was shown to them that they are supporting misogynists by pulling the ads. Explain to me how a few trolls are more powerful than the media?

by rtpg 12y ago

ANTSANTS 12y ago

Intel pulled advertising from Gamasutra because they directly insulted a customer group that is very important to their brand. Intel didn't cave under pressure, they simply acted rationally to a media outlet committing brand suicide. http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/224400/Gamers_dont_have_to_be_your_audience_Gamers_are_over.php http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/224400/Gamers_dont_have_t... Phil Fish forced himself off the internet by being a contemptible jackass with an ego to rival that of Kanye West who fights with his coworkers, publicly shat on an aspiring Japanese game dev during a Q&A panel that asked him a polite question regarding his thoughts on their country's games, says that gamers are "the worst fucking people," tells people to "suck his dick, choke on it" then claims to be a feminist without a hint of irony, completely and utterly lacks self awareness, and just generally can't go a fucking day without throwing a tantrum on twitter. EDIT: Oh neat, my other post in this thread, a collection of links from an opposing perspective, was flagkilled. Way to flag/downvote for disagreement, redd-I mean Hacker News.

judk 12y ago
I'll down vote you for dragging reddit into this for no reason.
knowtheory 12y ago
> Phil Fish forced himself off the internet by being a contemptible jackass So he totally deserved what was coming to him when GamerGate leaked his bank details and social security number to the public!</derp> Even if someone is an asshole that doesn't legitimize harming them. This is exactly what is wrong with Gamergate.
- ANTSANTS 12y ago
  I didn't know about that, and I agree, no one deserves to be "doxed." By "forced off the internet," I thought the GP was referring to Phil Fish's regular practice of throwing temper tantrums and "cancelling Fez 2" or "leaving the industry" every other week. I think the vast majority of GamerGate supporters would agree with me about that; I check up on GG threads every day, and it's pretty clear that no one supports harming people. In fact, almost no one ever brings doxing up. On the rare occasion someone does, they're called an idiot, accused of "false flagging" (ie someone anti-GG pretending to support GG with threats of violence to make the movement look bad. yes, this has happened, people have been caught making violent comments just to take a screenshot that "proves" how evil GG is), and their posts are deleted pretty quickly. 99% of the focus now is on contacting advertisers and showing people all of the horrible things that the "journalists" in question say and do (like "nerds should be constantly shamed and degraded into submission. bring back bullying"). When someone actually does get doxed, the overwhelming reaction is not "fuck yeah, patriarchy" but "what the hell are you doing, idiot?" The current suspicion is that GNAA (you know, the people that were in the news semi-recently for harassing Kathy Sierra) is behind most of the death threats and doxing. It's like a "double troll" for wackjobs like them: They get an excuse to harass people while another group takes all the flak for it. Everyone's mad! But hey, that's just my two cents. You can bring on the downvotes now, echo chamber.
  - knowtheory 12y ago
    Here's the thing. Even if GNAA is trolling everyone, GamerGate is a terrible excuse for letting them continue a reign of terror. Even if there were corruption in game journalism, video game journalism is so meaninglessly inconsequential that it wouldn't countenance the death threats, doxxing and harassment that is being done under it's aegis. Do you know anybody who makes purchasing decisions based on how high a score a game reviewer gives it? Do you? It just seems unfathomable to me in a world where we have Steam, Twitch, Project Greenlight, Humble Bundle & indie games galore that video game journalism matters enough that it should be destroyed. It just seems like Gamergate is bullshit from top to bottom, and it's completely mystifying to me why anyone who loves games should want to identify with it.

slash3r 12y ago

You seem to believe that Intel can be intimidated by internet trolls. It also seems that you don't know nothing about Phil Fish and that almost (if not all) the awards that Fez won were from the investors of Fez themselves. [don't get me wrong, I actually loved Fez] (let the downvotes pour)

rtpg 12y ago
Intel did drop their ads http://www.theverge.com/2014/10/2/6886747/intel-buckles-to-anti-feminist-campaign-by-pulling-ads-from-gaming http://www.theverge.com/2014/10/2/6886747/intel-buckles-to-a...
ijk 12y ago
The accusations about Phil Fish, Fez, Polytron's investors, and the IGF judging process are blatantly false. It's a conspiracy theory that's mostly based on misinformation about the IGF voting process and misinterpretation of dates. http://igf.com/2014/09/igf_statement_re_judging_proce.html http://igf.com/2014/09/igf_statement_re_judging_proce.html
- slash3r 12y ago
  The issue is about IGF lying and you give me a link to an IGF article to prove your point. They have their right to defend themselves, but that doesn't mean that whatever they say in their defense is actually true. Everything should be taken with a grain of salt, and more than one independent report should be taken into consideration when forming an opinion, especially on controversial topics.
  - ijk 12y ago
    Well, there's the small matter that the backers weren't actually on the 2012 jury. [1] And the fact that Fez got its first win before IndieFund existed. [2] And the video that made the original accusation against Phil Fish was taken down, probably because it was a combination of libel and evidence of the illegal hacking. So it's become a source-less accusation that gets trotted out with no evidence to support it, as it was here. [1] http://theflounce.com/gamergate-seem-understand-ethics-nearly-well-thinks/ http://theflounce.com/gamergate-seem-understand-ethics-nearl... [2] https://twitter.com/Jonathan_Blow/status/508734779617849344 https://twitter.com/Jonathan_Blow/status/508734779617849344

slash3r 12y ago

I'll reply here because apparently I can't reply to your response. "Because everything that is written on the internet is true". Let's think a little: Intel pulled their ads because they got intimidated by a handful of trolls, yet they didn't returned after it was shown to them that they are supporting misogynists by pulling the ads. Explain to me how a few trolls are more powerful than the media?