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Honestly man, leave your religious hate at the doorstep. It's like saying that, because Motorola was making lot's money on the electronics business back in the

Honestly man, leave your religious hate at the doorstep. It's like saying that, because Motorola was making lot's money on the electronics business back in the day, then ought to provide Six Sigma Black Belt Certifications for free.

Karunamon 12y ago
It isn't religious hate. The Vatican is a stupidly well-off organization, and seeing well off organizations panhandling for things they can easily fund themselves seems disingenuous, at the least.
- lil_cain 12y ago
  Citation needed for the vatican being a stupidly well off organisation. Preferably in terms of its annual budget (rather than capital assets, which would be a silly way to pay for this). And even well off institutions have priorities. I suspect "digitising historical manuscripts" is pretty low on the priority list of the Holy See. Given that the Holy See would prefer to fund other things, this is a pretty reasonable idea. If people fund it, then they'll do it. If people aren't interested enough to fund it, then they won't.
JoeAltmaier 12y ago
Stop right there. I'm a Catholic. That doesn't mean I give the Vatican a free pass when it makes a boneheaded announcement like this. Keep your ad-hominem attacks to yourself.
- crpatino 12y ago
  I am a Catholic too, though marginally attached to the Church due to multiple and systematic dubious ethical decisions from the top of our clergy hierarchy (of which the de-facto protection of pederast priests is just the tip of the iceberg). That does not mean I will go around finding reasons to criticize everything they do. They have (presumed) legitimate possession of an invaluable wealth of historic documents. It is therefore their prerogative to decide to whom they give access to it. It is a good thing they decided to digitize those documents and put them on the web. It is also a good thing they will have open access for free. What the heck are you freaking out about? According to your logic, this is a "boneheaded announcement" because of what? Because they are looking for means to finance the operation without forking out their own money? Everybody does it, governments, corporations, non profits, individuals! But somehow, Vatican is special! If it does not live up to the highest (irrational) ideals, they it must be rotten to the core! St Ambrose said "The Church is both saint and whore"[1]. And somehow you seem disappointed that the saint-whore does too much sainting and too little whoring. [1] Wrongfully attributed to St Augustine of Hippo.

Karunamon 12y ago

It isn't religious hate. The Vatican is a stupidly well-off organization, and seeing well off organizations panhandling for things they can easily fund themselves seems disingenuous, at the least.

lil_cain 12y ago
Citation needed for the vatican being a stupidly well off organisation. Preferably in terms of its annual budget (rather than capital assets, which would be a silly way to pay for this). And even well off institutions have priorities. I suspect "digitising historical manuscripts" is pretty low on the priority list of the Holy See. Given that the Holy See would prefer to fund other things, this is a pretty reasonable idea. If people fund it, then they'll do it. If people aren't interested enough to fund it, then they won't.

JoeAltmaier 12y ago

Stop right there. I'm a Catholic. That doesn't mean I give the Vatican a free pass when it makes a boneheaded announcement like this. Keep your ad-hominem attacks to yourself.

crpatino 12y ago
I am a Catholic too, though marginally attached to the Church due to multiple and systematic dubious ethical decisions from the top of our clergy hierarchy (of which the de-facto protection of pederast priests is just the tip of the iceberg). That does not mean I will go around finding reasons to criticize everything they do. They have (presumed) legitimate possession of an invaluable wealth of historic documents. It is therefore their prerogative to decide to whom they give access to it. It is a good thing they decided to digitize those documents and put them on the web. It is also a good thing they will have open access for free. What the heck are you freaking out about? According to your logic, this is a "boneheaded announcement" because of what? Because they are looking for means to finance the operation without forking out their own money? Everybody does it, governments, corporations, non profits, individuals! But somehow, Vatican is special! If it does not live up to the highest (irrational) ideals, they it must be rotten to the core! St Ambrose said "The Church is both saint and whore"[1]. And somehow you seem disappointed that the saint-whore does too much sainting and too little whoring. [1] Wrongfully attributed to St Augustine of Hippo.