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Results of 2014 State of Clojure and ClojureScript Survey

61 points by quantisan 12y ago

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lemming 12y ago
As the developer of Cursive, I'm really thrilled to see so many people using it a year after the first beta release - thanks everyone for all the great support! It's great to see more people responding than last year, and a higher percentage using it at work, too. The Clojure ecosystem is a really nice place to be right now.
- quantisan 12y ago
  I have no idea that it overtook Counterclockwise and Vim. When did that happen? Do you think it's because of Cursive coming out of beta release? I used to use Counterclockwise a few years back when I started with Clojure and then switched to Vim soon after.
  - lemming 12y ago
    To be fair, Cursive only had one more vote than Vim, so there's not much in it. Cursive is actually technically still in beta although it's pretty stable now - the official v1 release should be in a couple of months I think.
- ChaoticGood 12y ago
  Thanks for Cursive. Works great and right out of the box too with no surprises. I watched this video and then installed it: Getting started in Clojure with IntelliJ, Cursive, and Gorilla part 1: setup http://vimeo.com/103808402 http://vimeo.com/103808402 Thanks again. Having tons of fun with it now.
cjrd 12y ago
Wow, this is really informative, do other languages do this?
- gtani 12y ago
  not quite the same, but haskell: http://www.haskell.org/haskellwiki/Haskell_Communities_and_Activities_Report http://www.haskell.org/haskellwiki/Haskell_Communities_and_A... java 8: http://info.typesafe.com/COLL-2014-10-20-Java-8-II-Survey-Report-LP.html?lsd=COLL-2014-10-20-Java-8-II-Survey-Report&lst=WS http://info.typesafe.com/COLL-2014-10-20-Java-8-II-Survey-Re... scala: http://blog.jetbrains.com/idea/2013/06/scala-productivity-a-survey-of-the-community/ http://blog.jetbrains.com/idea/2013/06/scala-productivity-a-...
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dizzystar 12y ago
I haven't used Clojure for about 8 months now. I haven't abandoned it, but my current project is better suited for other languages. It is nice to take a breath from Lisp after so many years. My main irritation was security. The libs were sporadic, didn't seem to gel, and (not being able to judge this) felt like they didn't work as needed. The community is small, scary smart, and among the most friendly and humble group of people I've ever been around. They have no issues poking fun at Lisp and themselves. Just great people all around. Their creativity and production volume is astonishing.
- JackMorgan 12y ago
  What are you using instead?
- weavejester 12y ago
  > My main irritation was security. The libs were sporadic, didn't seem to gel, and (not being able to judge this) felt like they didn't work as needed. Do you mean security-related libraries, or the security around libraries?
  - dizzystar 12y ago
    I meant the security-related libs.
dugmartin 12y ago
Why did Chas not do it this year?
- prospero 12y ago
  Becase he's the proud, probably exhausted father of newborn twins.
ijk 12y ago
I see that Leiningen rules all. (As it should be, it's one of the best package/deployment systems I've used.) An active ecosystem makes working in a language a lot nicer. While I could always borrow from the JVM libraries, it's nice to see lots of native projects. Hopefully we'll see the number of well-maintained libraries in the ecosystem increasing.
mattdeboard 12y ago
If you are one of those who are extremely frustrated with ClojureScript's REPL situation like I was,I cannot recommend enough that when you're starting your next project, do the following: lein new chestnut <project name> This uses a leiningen template[1] that does all the config and so forth of the REPL for you. It is a lifesaver. I basically refused to use ClojureScript until I saw this. Now, super easy. 1. https://github.com/plexus/chestnut https://github.com/plexus/chestnut

61 points by quantisan 12y ago

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As the developer of Cursive, I'm really thrilled to see so many people using it a year after the first beta release - thanks everyone for all the great support! It's great to see more people responding than last year, and a higher percentage using it at work, too. The Clojure ecosystem is a really nice place to be right now.

quantisan 12y ago
I have no idea that it overtook Counterclockwise and Vim. When did that happen? Do you think it's because of Cursive coming out of beta release? I used to use Counterclockwise a few years back when I started with Clojure and then switched to Vim soon after.
- lemming 12y ago
  To be fair, Cursive only had one more vote than Vim, so there's not much in it. Cursive is actually technically still in beta although it's pretty stable now - the official v1 release should be in a couple of months I think.
ChaoticGood 12y ago
Thanks for Cursive. Works great and right out of the box too with no surprises. I watched this video and then installed it: Getting started in Clojure with IntelliJ, Cursive, and Gorilla part 1: setup http://vimeo.com/103808402 http://vimeo.com/103808402 Thanks again. Having tons of fun with it now.

cjrd 12y ago

Wow, this is really informative, do other languages do this?

gtani 12y ago
not quite the same, but haskell: http://www.haskell.org/haskellwiki/Haskell_Communities_and_Activities_Report http://www.haskell.org/haskellwiki/Haskell_Communities_and_A... java 8: http://info.typesafe.com/COLL-2014-10-20-Java-8-II-Survey-Report-LP.html?lsd=COLL-2014-10-20-Java-8-II-Survey-Report&lst=WS http://info.typesafe.com/COLL-2014-10-20-Java-8-II-Survey-Re... scala: http://blog.jetbrains.com/idea/2013/06/scala-productivity-a-survey-of-the-community/ http://blog.jetbrains.com/idea/2013/06/scala-productivity-a-...

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dizzystar 12y ago

I haven't used Clojure for about 8 months now. I haven't abandoned it, but my current project is better suited for other languages. It is nice to take a breath from Lisp after so many years. My main irritation was security. The libs were sporadic, didn't seem to gel, and (not being able to judge this) felt like they didn't work as needed. The community is small, scary smart, and among the most friendly and humble group of people I've ever been around. They have no issues poking fun at Lisp and themselves. Just great people all around. Their creativity and production volume is astonishing.

JackMorgan 12y ago
What are you using instead?
weavejester 12y ago
> My main irritation was security. The libs were sporadic, didn't seem to gel, and (not being able to judge this) felt like they didn't work as needed. Do you mean security-related libraries, or the security around libraries?
- dizzystar 12y ago
  I meant the security-related libs.

dugmartin 12y ago

Why did Chas not do it this year?

prospero 12y ago
Becase he's the proud, probably exhausted father of newborn twins.

ijk 12y ago

I see that Leiningen rules all. (As it should be, it's one of the best package/deployment systems I've used.) An active ecosystem makes working in a language a lot nicer. While I could always borrow from the JVM libraries, it's nice to see lots of native projects. Hopefully we'll see the number of well-maintained libraries in the ecosystem increasing.

mattdeboard 12y ago

If you are one of those who are extremely frustrated with ClojureScript's REPL situation like I was,I cannot recommend enough that when you're starting your next project, do the following: lein new chestnut <project name> This uses a leiningen template[1] that does all the config and so forth of the REPL for you. It is a lifesaver. I basically refused to use ClojureScript until I saw this. Now, super easy. 1. https://github.com/plexus/chestnut https://github.com/plexus/chestnut