> Europe is facing a challenge from Russia to its very existence. Nonsense. Europe is winning big time. Soros even gives the arguments for this. - Europe has

> Europe is facing a challenge from Russia to its very existence. Nonsense. Europe is winning big time. Soros even gives the arguments for this. - Europe has expanded its outer borders towards Russia for the last 25 years. Ukraine was once considered part of the Soviet "heartland". Well, it isn't anymore. - The trend towards democracy and freedom is led by the young generation. In another 20 years, even in the worst case, the defenders of the status quo will have been replaced "by nature". - Given structural reforms of Naftogaz and incentives for better thermal insulation of houses, Ukraine would become independent of Russian gas. And that is what they will do. And what every other European country already does. You think the German all-in for renewable energies (and the smart-grid this requires) is about pretty flowers and climate change? Also, Russia has maxed out their military options already. They sure wanted to stage a full-out war (like the occupation of neighboring Georgia in 2008), but somehow couldn't. The economic ties with the EU and EU-friendly countries are too strong now. When the dust settles in 10+ years, Ukraine will be out of Russia's reach and the EU more indepenent from Russia's natural resources. And that will happen irrespective of who bails out whose debt next week.