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It didn't blow my mind. He learned a language, quite some people do that, even if the language is hard and remote. Headline disproven. Edit: it is impressive,

by Argorak 12y ago

It didn't blow my mind. He learned a language, quite some people do that, even if the language is hard and remote. Headline disproven. Edit: it is impressive, as any language skill remote from you mother tongue. But I am not a fan of superlatives, especially if they indicate that I should take part in the appreciation. FWIW: German headline on the topic: "Facebook CEO [...] impresses students". http://www.spiegel.de/netzwelt/web/facbeook-chef-mark-zuckerberg-spricht-chinesisch-a-998828.html http://www.spiegel.de/netzwelt/web/facbeook-chef-mark-zucker...

rmc 12y ago
Quite a lot of people don't.
- xiaq 12y ago
  Not to say that quite a lot of CEOs don't...
- zhaphod 12y ago
  Actually context matters here. If some one from USA/UK/France, for example, learns a new language it definitely is a surprise. May be blows the mind is not the right word. On the other hand, it is common for people from Southern India to know 4 or 5 languages and it is not surprising.
  - Argorak 12y ago
    During my time in France, most people of my age where pretty frustrated that they didn't learn foreign languages properly at school and tried to compensate. For people in international companies, learning new languages on the job is also very normal, almost all companies have programs for that.
    - ghshephard 12y ago
      The vast, vast majority of employees working for American companies, even in an international deployment, don't tend to learn more than a few dozen catch phrases (Hello, Good Bye, How are you doing, where is the toilet, take me to the airport, etc...) for the country they are deployed to - they just hope everyone will speak english to them. I'm wondering if Mark is the first Fortune 500 CEO to ever learn a different language while working as a CEO? I'm almost certain he's the first American CEO of a fortune 500 to learn mandarin while working as a CEO.
      - Argorak 12y ago
        I'm sorry that I don't share a US-centric world view, being from somewhere else. "all US minds blown", I cannot judge. But I also wouldn't be surprised if there are others learning languages during being a CEO - it's a good mental training and can be practiced almost everywhere just with some notes and a smartphone. It's just nothing you often practice or speak about in public. For the people I know moving to different countries, learning the local language is usual. All my foreign employees are by the way contractually obliged to learn my local tongue (on our cost and time, obviously).
      - peterfirefly 12y ago
        I wonder how good Carlos Ghosn's Japanese is? He seems to have studied it.
    - gommm 12y ago
      People under 30-35 in France now tend to learn and speak foreign languages. It wasn't the case before. The focus on learning new languages in France only really started at the end of the 90s with, for example, engineering degrees requiring some English certification to obtain and companies creating programs to train their employees in different languages.
  - Keats 12y ago
    We do learn 2 foreign languages in France during school (English + German/Spanish/Italian/whatever) so I'm not really sure why it would be a surprise to hear a french speak another language. They might suck at it though.
    - SyneRyder 12y ago
      I think it's because of a stereotype in America/Australia etc that the French are very protective of their language (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Language_policy_in_France http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Language_policy_in_France ) and would rather people learned French than "lower themselves" to using English. When I was in Paris in the mid 90s there was some sense of that. It's probably changed now - while I haven't been to France lately, in other parts of Europe when I try to practice the local language, people under 30 always tell me "Please, speak English, we understand and it is easier for both of us."
    - LunaSea 12y ago
      Because there's "learning" and learning. French people "learn" german and english but are terrible at it even after learning it for 10 years. Scandinavian people learn english and are actually fluent with a good pronunciation after a few years.
  - gambiting 12y ago
    As a European who speaks three languages fluently, meeting someone who can speak another language is certainly not surprising. However, I think we are comparing wrong things here. As my native language is Slavic in origins, I would find learning another Slavic language incredibly easy. In fact, today I can understand more than 50% of Russian or Czech without ever learning either of those languages. Having learnt English to a highly proficient level, I then had no trouble learning German to a very high level too. However, in Zuckerberg's case what he has done is incredibly impressive because he has learned a language which shares no commonalities with his own native tongue, all while being a CEO of a multi-billion dollar company. That alone makes it worthwhile news to community of geeks HN is.
- Argorak 12y ago
  That still doesn't make any of those two outcomes mindblowing.
- goblin89 12y ago
  But quite a lot do, and do well, too. Why don't they deserve each a headline like this? > csa[0] Speaks Mandarin, Blows Everyone’s Mind Doesn't seem to be interesting, does it. As long as you keep Zuckerberg (or Musk, or Gates, or Obama) in there, though… > <famous person> <does an unlikely thing>, Blows Everyone's Mind …anything in place of “Speaks Mandarin” works. Such canned formula headlines, and stories that primarily are newsworthy due to combination of elite persona and unexpectedness[1] just make me cringe, nice to know I'm not alone in this. [0] Another HN user also commenting on this thread [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/News_values https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/News_values
  - Argorak 12y ago
    Thanks for link [1] and the explanation. Much appreciated.
- LunaSea 12y ago
  Come to Luxembourg where kids are required to know 3 languages by age 10 and 4 by age 13. Learning a language is not impressive in any way. The only people who's mind was blown are probably people living in large countries like the US, the UK, France ...etc.
  - gambiting 12y ago
    Do you know many kids under the age of 10 who are CEOs of multi-billion dollar companies and who still had time to learn a language that shares absolutely no commonalities with their mother tongues?
    - LunaSea 12y ago
      Well after more than 10 years living with someone that is chinese you would hope that he at least speaks the language. He's the CEO but his job is also to delegate.
Torn 12y ago
The current headline (for posterity: "Zuckerberg Speaks Mandarin, Blows Everyone’s Mind") is very editorialised. Hopefully it gets changed.
- to3m 12y ago
  The headline is reproduced on HN verbatim, by policy, even when it's a sub-clickhole one...
lucb1e 12y ago
> It didn't blow my mind. He learned a language, quite some people do that, even if the language is hard and remote. Not sure that as a European I have a different view on things, but I very much agree with this comment.

by Argorak 12y ago

rmc 12y ago

Quite a lot of people don't.

xiaq 12y ago
Not to say that quite a lot of CEOs don't...
zhaphod 12y ago
Actually context matters here. If some one from USA/UK/France, for example, learns a new language it definitely is a surprise. May be blows the mind is not the right word. On the other hand, it is common for people from Southern India to know 4 or 5 languages and it is not surprising.
- Argorak 12y ago
  During my time in France, most people of my age where pretty frustrated that they didn't learn foreign languages properly at school and tried to compensate. For people in international companies, learning new languages on the job is also very normal, almost all companies have programs for that.
  - ghshephard 12y ago
    The vast, vast majority of employees working for American companies, even in an international deployment, don't tend to learn more than a few dozen catch phrases (Hello, Good Bye, How are you doing, where is the toilet, take me to the airport, etc...) for the country they are deployed to - they just hope everyone will speak english to them. I'm wondering if Mark is the first Fortune 500 CEO to ever learn a different language while working as a CEO? I'm almost certain he's the first American CEO of a fortune 500 to learn mandarin while working as a CEO.
    - Argorak 12y ago
      I'm sorry that I don't share a US-centric world view, being from somewhere else. "all US minds blown", I cannot judge. But I also wouldn't be surprised if there are others learning languages during being a CEO - it's a good mental training and can be practiced almost everywhere just with some notes and a smartphone. It's just nothing you often practice or speak about in public. For the people I know moving to different countries, learning the local language is usual. All my foreign employees are by the way contractually obliged to learn my local tongue (on our cost and time, obviously).
    - peterfirefly 12y ago
      I wonder how good Carlos Ghosn's Japanese is? He seems to have studied it.
  - gommm 12y ago
    People under 30-35 in France now tend to learn and speak foreign languages. It wasn't the case before. The focus on learning new languages in France only really started at the end of the 90s with, for example, engineering degrees requiring some English certification to obtain and companies creating programs to train their employees in different languages.
- Keats 12y ago
  We do learn 2 foreign languages in France during school (English + German/Spanish/Italian/whatever) so I'm not really sure why it would be a surprise to hear a french speak another language. They might suck at it though.
  - SyneRyder 12y ago
    I think it's because of a stereotype in America/Australia etc that the French are very protective of their language (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Language_policy_in_France http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Language_policy_in_France ) and would rather people learned French than "lower themselves" to using English. When I was in Paris in the mid 90s there was some sense of that. It's probably changed now - while I haven't been to France lately, in other parts of Europe when I try to practice the local language, people under 30 always tell me "Please, speak English, we understand and it is easier for both of us."
  - LunaSea 12y ago
    Because there's "learning" and learning. French people "learn" german and english but are terrible at it even after learning it for 10 years. Scandinavian people learn english and are actually fluent with a good pronunciation after a few years.
- gambiting 12y ago
  As a European who speaks three languages fluently, meeting someone who can speak another language is certainly not surprising. However, I think we are comparing wrong things here. As my native language is Slavic in origins, I would find learning another Slavic language incredibly easy. In fact, today I can understand more than 50% of Russian or Czech without ever learning either of those languages. Having learnt English to a highly proficient level, I then had no trouble learning German to a very high level too. However, in Zuckerberg's case what he has done is incredibly impressive because he has learned a language which shares no commonalities with his own native tongue, all while being a CEO of a multi-billion dollar company. That alone makes it worthwhile news to community of geeks HN is.
Argorak 12y ago
That still doesn't make any of those two outcomes mindblowing.
goblin89 12y ago
But quite a lot do, and do well, too. Why don't they deserve each a headline like this? > csa[0] Speaks Mandarin, Blows Everyone’s Mind Doesn't seem to be interesting, does it. As long as you keep Zuckerberg (or Musk, or Gates, or Obama) in there, though… > <famous person> <does an unlikely thing>, Blows Everyone's Mind …anything in place of “Speaks Mandarin” works. Such canned formula headlines, and stories that primarily are newsworthy due to combination of elite persona and unexpectedness[1] just make me cringe, nice to know I'm not alone in this. [0] Another HN user also commenting on this thread [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/News_values https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/News_values
- Argorak 12y ago
  Thanks for link [1] and the explanation. Much appreciated.
LunaSea 12y ago
Come to Luxembourg where kids are required to know 3 languages by age 10 and 4 by age 13. Learning a language is not impressive in any way. The only people who's mind was blown are probably people living in large countries like the US, the UK, France ...etc.
- gambiting 12y ago
  Do you know many kids under the age of 10 who are CEOs of multi-billion dollar companies and who still had time to learn a language that shares absolutely no commonalities with their mother tongues?
  - LunaSea 12y ago
    Well after more than 10 years living with someone that is chinese you would hope that he at least speaks the language. He's the CEO but his job is also to delegate.

Torn 12y ago

The current headline (for posterity: "Zuckerberg Speaks Mandarin, Blows Everyone’s Mind") is very editorialised. Hopefully it gets changed.

to3m 12y ago
The headline is reproduced on HN verbatim, by policy, even when it's a sub-clickhole one...

lucb1e 12y ago

> It didn't blow my mind. He learned a language, quite some people do that, even if the language is hard and remote. Not sure that as a European I have a different view on things, but I very much agree with this comment.