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> The problem is that they're being exploited. Choose to go to class or not, they are not being paid anything remotely close to the value that these schools get
by bo1024 12y ago
> The problem is that they're being exploited. Choose to go to class or not, they are not being paid anything remotely close to the value that these schools get from them in terms of team gear sales, ad revenue, tv time, increased enrollment, etc etc etc.
I'm tired of seeing this argument without data. If you sit down and think about the numbers, you'll see that for the vast majority of NCAA athletes, this is false. Most get a very sweet deal relative to their market value if the NCAA did not exist.
First, limit to the NCAA sports that actually produce revenue, essentially men's football and basketball. If the NCAA did not exist, these players would at best be in a minor league (again except for the top dozen or two in the country). Now look at a sport that has a minor league in America: baseball. Minor league baseball players, even toward the top, make how much? $2000-3000 per month. And that's only in-season.
Paid tuition is already worth higher in cash value than that. And the value of the student-athlete experience? You can't put a price tag on it. Ask any former NCAA athlete what they would trade to give up their experience.
But, you respond, NCAA sports make way more money than baseball minor leagues. Yes, that's true. But it's not solely because of the players. It's because of the schools. Schools bring almost everything important to the table: A huge fanbase, a connection to a physical location and community, an illusion of amateur-ness, rivalries, all of these things you can't get to nearly that extent outside the NCAA.
The players? They have no bargaining power because without the NCAA system, they'd be hosed. They'd be working even harder for essentially less money, living a tougher lifestyle, and not even get the degree to show for it. Hard to argue they should be paid when they bring very little to the table compared to the schools.
The point people miss is that it's the combination of the schools and the players together that generates so much revenue. Either without the other would be out of luck. And right now, if you think about the numbers, the current split is pretty fair. The exception might be the few star players who could make millions in the pros.
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I want to say, I'm not saying that players aren't exploited currently. I think they are. But I think the exploitation boils down to your second paragraph: They lose a real education because they don't have their priorities in line at that point in their lives.
But the solution isn't to pay kids even more money/benefits to continue to masquerade as students while living as full-time athletes. The solution should be to divorce sports from education and create minor leagues. This will never happen because, as I stated above, it's the combination of schools and sports that generates so much money, and the people at the top won't give that up just to do the right thing.
- OvidNaso 12y agoI'm sorry, but why would you compare revenue to minor league baseball? Collegiate basketball and football make significatly more money than collegiate or minor league baseball. America has clearly decided that they wI'ill spend just as much money on second tier leagues for these sports and any valuation would need to be based on this or be disingenuous.
- jdminhbg 12y agoHe explained: the difference between minor league baseball and NCAA football is the fanbase and tradition the schools bring. A putative Ann Arbor Wolves minor league football team would not have a stadium that dwarfs all NFL stadia.
- bo1024 12y agoRight, this is my contention. I admit that it's definitely speculative.
- rrrx3 12y agoI understand your objections in the first part of your reply, but let me clarify - when I speak about this, I'm talking strictly about revenue sports. The other athletes in non-revenue sports who are lucky enough to get scholarships are indeed getting a bang-up deal. But, I'm not talking about those guys. In fact, I agree with the latter part of your comment, where you say that divorcing sports and education is the long overdue solution to this problem. I personally don't believe playing sports (sports management is another thing) has anything to do with higher education. But, I also agree that it will probably never change. There's too much money at the top, and it's too easy to screw the athletes down at the bottom.