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It is ironic this chap waxes lyrical about how great it is to let the staff choose their IT equipment when he came from a bank previously, where they make even

It is ironic this chap waxes lyrical about how great it is to let the staff choose their IT equipment when he came from a bank previously, where they make even the Unix SAs use the hideous corporate Windows desktops to try and do their job. Yeah, unless you are Google, IT equipment sucks donkey balls in the big corps. Especially the banks. Still stuck on IE7 at our one. Sigh.

paulojreis 12y ago
Yup. IT in big corps really needs to change. I have - beside the Windows Update - the "Your IT department (...)" update, coming daily. Most of the time, it's a new wallpaper, which I have to disable via register tweaks. The example you gave - the pain of sysadmins using the Windows desktop - is perfect. But let me add a different one: the big corp where I work decided that iOS apps were needed. I can't even begin the describe how long and cumbersome the process of acquiring a Mac was! It was so ridiculous that we used personal devices for a time, and then a Hackintosh.
vince_refiti 12y ago
I suffer this fate every day. It is made worse by being locked down so hard I can't even use PowerShell. All I have is Notepad++ for development, searching, mass text manipulation...
- bhaak 12y ago
  How come you are not looking for a new job then? It's one thing having to use Windows for development. I've done it, you can work around lots of issues with Cygwin and other separate tools that enhances the development unfriendliness of Windows. If you are developping in Java, it's even less of an issue as Java itself and most of its IDEs are cross-platform. But being so locked down that the only thing to do development with is Notepad++ (you can't even run vim or emacs?), that's actually so far beyond that even a complete non-tech person should be able to see that this is harmful to your productivity.
  - vince_refiti 12y ago
    I started less than a month ago, and it pays really well. I will stick it out and hope to convince management to let me have admin rights to my machine.
    - aragot 12y ago
      You can't have outstanding performance with those tools, so I'm not sure whether you have your chances. It's a dilbertesque situation where employees can't perform well and the management self-reproduces with the least innovative people.
    - jsymolon 12y ago
      You don't need admin rights. What you do need is a reasonable set of tools to be installed and a quick (under an hour) way to get items installed or updated. What about a VM ? Approach it from the tools use, do people use pads and pens or do they use Word?
      - glynch 12y ago
        The bigger the company the more difficult this is. Where I worked our workstations were locked down and required a package request to install software. In addition, they would not bother packaging a new tool if it served the same purpose of other tools; i.e. text editors. Doesn't matter if you prefer Vim/emacs/Sublime Text 2/Notepad++, we already have a license for a text editor you've never heard of before. Depending on the company's hardware VM performance could be a real issue. You'd be surprised how many developer jobs are done on old Windows XP boxes. Big companies typically do upgrades in multiyear cycles.
    - Shorel 12y ago
      You only need a writable folder in your local PC to install portable versions of almost everything you need.
      - greedo 12y ago
        Assuming the portables are downloadable from a whitelisted website. Or that your USB ports aren't configured to encrypt anything you insert. McAfee, I'm looking right at your ugly endpoint encryption...
corin_ 12y ago
How is that ironic? He even acknowledges himself that he learned this way from moving to Google, and acknowledges that they are the exception not the rule: > "I remember years ago, when I joined Google, I looked at the personal technology that Google gave to its people. Google allowed people to use whatever they thought was relevant to them, when everyone else gave people a black laptop and a BlackBerry and said, “You are going to do it our way."
chippy 12y ago
You made your account with your choice of name just to post this comment?

paulojreis 12y ago

Yup. IT in big corps really needs to change. I have - beside the Windows Update - the "Your IT department (...)" update, coming daily. Most of the time, it's a new wallpaper, which I have to disable via register tweaks. The example you gave - the pain of sysadmins using the Windows desktop - is perfect. But let me add a different one: the big corp where I work decided that iOS apps were needed. I can't even begin the describe how long and cumbersome the process of acquiring a Mac was! It was so ridiculous that we used personal devices for a time, and then a Hackintosh.

vince_refiti 12y ago

I suffer this fate every day. It is made worse by being locked down so hard I can't even use PowerShell. All I have is Notepad++ for development, searching, mass text manipulation...

bhaak 12y ago
How come you are not looking for a new job then? It's one thing having to use Windows for development. I've done it, you can work around lots of issues with Cygwin and other separate tools that enhances the development unfriendliness of Windows. If you are developping in Java, it's even less of an issue as Java itself and most of its IDEs are cross-platform. But being so locked down that the only thing to do development with is Notepad++ (you can't even run vim or emacs?), that's actually so far beyond that even a complete non-tech person should be able to see that this is harmful to your productivity.
- vince_refiti 12y ago
  I started less than a month ago, and it pays really well. I will stick it out and hope to convince management to let me have admin rights to my machine.
  - aragot 12y ago
    You can't have outstanding performance with those tools, so I'm not sure whether you have your chances. It's a dilbertesque situation where employees can't perform well and the management self-reproduces with the least innovative people.
  - jsymolon 12y ago
    You don't need admin rights. What you do need is a reasonable set of tools to be installed and a quick (under an hour) way to get items installed or updated. What about a VM ? Approach it from the tools use, do people use pads and pens or do they use Word?
    - glynch 12y ago
      The bigger the company the more difficult this is. Where I worked our workstations were locked down and required a package request to install software. In addition, they would not bother packaging a new tool if it served the same purpose of other tools; i.e. text editors. Doesn't matter if you prefer Vim/emacs/Sublime Text 2/Notepad++, we already have a license for a text editor you've never heard of before. Depending on the company's hardware VM performance could be a real issue. You'd be surprised how many developer jobs are done on old Windows XP boxes. Big companies typically do upgrades in multiyear cycles.
  - Shorel 12y ago
    You only need a writable folder in your local PC to install portable versions of almost everything you need.
    - greedo 12y ago
      Assuming the portables are downloadable from a whitelisted website. Or that your USB ports aren't configured to encrypt anything you insert. McAfee, I'm looking right at your ugly endpoint encryption...

corin_ 12y ago

How is that ironic? He even acknowledges himself that he learned this way from moving to Google, and acknowledges that they are the exception not the rule: > "I remember years ago, when I joined Google, I looked at the personal technology that Google gave to its people. Google allowed people to use whatever they thought was relevant to them, when everyone else gave people a black laptop and a BlackBerry and said, “You are going to do it our way."

chippy 12y ago

You made your account with your choice of name just to post this comment?