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I agree. >>> I don't have a GitHub page, nor do I have an interest in having one. Glad I'm not the only one. >>> I don't care about hackathons or solving puz

I agree. >>> I don't have a GitHub page, nor do I have an interest in having one. Glad I'm not the only one. >>> I don't care about hackathons or solving puzzles. Couldn't have been said any better. I never produce anything good when its tightly timed, under pressure, when people are watching over you. >>> I hate the term 'nerd' or 'geek'. I am neither and I find the terms insulting. Add "ninja", "guru", "rockstar" and other hipster name floating around these days to your list. I hate it too. I've been doing programming for 3 years on and off. I program for fun, as a hobby and I can't see myself programming to meet unrealistic deadlines year in year out for someone, that's my personal opinion. I grew up in an athletic environment so I also play rugby and sprint for fun too. The most I would do is to program small projects at my own pace and share them to people or keep it to myself. I hate rushing into things which I feel hackathons encourage.I like to think, research, think and then create. I program because I generally like making things, not just programs but also technical drawing, house designs (architectural and interior) and custom-modded computer builds , it has no correlation to solving puzzles or cramming algorithms I probably will never use. Edit: There is this insanely think barrier filled with confusion in Human Resources, as a recent Computer Science graduate, some of the job descriptions have unimaginably high expectations for entry positions I actually think you have no place here if you don't know 4+ languages, 2+ trendy frameworks, and 1-2 years of experience from a fresh graduate.

bmh100 12y ago
I see this comment about "nerd", "geek", "ninja", etc. crop up a lot. These are solutions to the problem of "what term do we used to describe an excellent programmer, that both excellent programmers will identify with and other managers will emotionally relate to"? How would you solve that problem?
- nightmiles 12y ago
  Why do we need to give programmers such punchy titles? I haven't heard anyone doing this in any other craft. In my view, calling someone a good, great, excellent, skilled, or top programmer as appropriate is more than adequate.
  - bmh100 12y ago
    I am not arguing that programmers need to have "punchy" titles at all. However, others clearly that some sort of term beyond those you listed is necessary, and these names are evidence of that.
    - silverbax88 12y ago
      There is no need for those terms. They are marketing names dreamed up by people who think they can neuro-linguistically trick developers into thinking working for them (usually for less money than they are worth), then they can get over on them. Again, what is the difference between a doctor who is one of the best in the world versus a doctor who is just 'decent'? What is the term that is necessary to describe that doctor that doesn't exist? Why would any profession be any different?
      - thisGuysAccount 12y ago
        I don't think I'd even want to go to "Dr WhateverName, Ninja Orthopedic Surgeon" or want to know that he wrote "Secrets of a rotator cuff repair rockstar."
- silverbax88 12y ago
  I just say they are world class programmers. Or excellent. There is no problem. How do you describe doctors who are very good at what they do? Do you call them ninjas? "Med nerds"? You're claiming there is a problem here that doesn't exist. We have words to describe people who are good at what they do.
- jghn 12y ago
  What's wrong with "excellent programmer"? Other fields seem to have managed to solve this problem without resorting to sophomoric faux-titles. It just reeks of childishness and the sort of tomfoolery that tends to get our profession laughed at. When I see these words, it screams either "bunch of young kiddies" or "a bunch of olds desperately trying to seem cool" and neither are situations that I want to get involved with. And all of this isn't even getting into the problem that 99.9% of people want rockstars, ninjas, jedi and superheroes but only about 0.1% really need them.
mavsman 12y ago
I wish programming culture didn't scare away people who enjoy athletics. I love playing basketball and sometimes it's hard to find other programmers who enjoy the same. When I see "Ninja", "rockstar", etc. I run. Can't stand that.

bmh100 12y ago

I see this comment about "nerd", "geek", "ninja", etc. crop up a lot. These are solutions to the problem of "what term do we used to describe an excellent programmer, that both excellent programmers will identify with and other managers will emotionally relate to"? How would you solve that problem?

nightmiles 12y ago
Why do we need to give programmers such punchy titles? I haven't heard anyone doing this in any other craft. In my view, calling someone a good, great, excellent, skilled, or top programmer as appropriate is more than adequate.
- bmh100 12y ago
  I am not arguing that programmers need to have "punchy" titles at all. However, others clearly that some sort of term beyond those you listed is necessary, and these names are evidence of that.
  - silverbax88 12y ago
    There is no need for those terms. They are marketing names dreamed up by people who think they can neuro-linguistically trick developers into thinking working for them (usually for less money than they are worth), then they can get over on them. Again, what is the difference between a doctor who is one of the best in the world versus a doctor who is just 'decent'? What is the term that is necessary to describe that doctor that doesn't exist? Why would any profession be any different?
    - thisGuysAccount 12y ago
      I don't think I'd even want to go to "Dr WhateverName, Ninja Orthopedic Surgeon" or want to know that he wrote "Secrets of a rotator cuff repair rockstar."
silverbax88 12y ago
I just say they are world class programmers. Or excellent. There is no problem. How do you describe doctors who are very good at what they do? Do you call them ninjas? "Med nerds"? You're claiming there is a problem here that doesn't exist. We have words to describe people who are good at what they do.
jghn 12y ago
What's wrong with "excellent programmer"? Other fields seem to have managed to solve this problem without resorting to sophomoric faux-titles. It just reeks of childishness and the sort of tomfoolery that tends to get our profession laughed at. When I see these words, it screams either "bunch of young kiddies" or "a bunch of olds desperately trying to seem cool" and neither are situations that I want to get involved with. And all of this isn't even getting into the problem that 99.9% of people want rockstars, ninjas, jedi and superheroes but only about 0.1% really need them.

mavsman 12y ago

I wish programming culture didn't scare away people who enjoy athletics. I love playing basketball and sometimes it's hard to find other programmers who enjoy the same. When I see "Ninja", "rockstar", etc. I run. Can't stand that.