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Are you sure you properly understand what "hacker" means in this context? I think it's fair to say that some people in the grey to black spectrum also attend th

Are you sure you properly understand what "hacker" means in this context? I think it's fair to say that some people in the grey to black spectrum also attend the CCC, but overall, yes, people there are genuinely committed to free expression (by everybody, most importantly of course by innocent people). They are using the word "hacker" in the original sense of the word (tinkering with technology etc.) What you're saying is like the false claim that Tor is only used by criminals - when in reality, it is used by all sorts of people, including law enforcement themselves!

bipin-nag 12y ago
It is a community meet, hosted by Europe's largest association of hacker. It is not an official gathering of human right leaders, they act on selfish interests. Are they known for their humanitarian efforts, certainly not. If anything they would break and work against the security measures, malicious or not depends on them. Through the entire meeting, they mocked the laws, quoting from handful cases which you have been able to find and discussing various security measures as they are used now. Bottom line is break the system for freedom of expression! They are just forcing governments hand to enforce more restrictions. The last thing we need is international hacker groups vouching for freedom of expression in India. Lastly surveillance in India is nothing compared to the surveillance done by NSA or PLA. A few cases may happen here and there, but it will always be a few. The parent comment was unnecessary sensational.
- skrebbel 12y ago
  May I remind you that you are posting on a site called "Hacker News"?
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  - bipin-nag 12y ago
    Hacker News has nothing to do with hacking, you certainly know it. Can you prove the same for that community. Can you? Everyone reading the post is hung up on word hackers. People keep playing the word loose. Even if it is for fun can you deny they can do no harm. Kindly imagine the hypocrisy and the irony of them suggesting how we should manage freedom of expression by mocking our internet safeguard. Come on. I believed in Hacker News being a place where you could discuss with open mind, why is it so hard for other people to accept this point.
    - Chronic29 12y ago
      You are not allowed to discuss what is on your mind. On HN, you can only share opinions consistent with the HN norm.
- cubancigar11 12y ago
  My wife has left me. And my phone is getting surveilled. Don't ask me how I know it. What do you think I should do? - An Indian in Varanasi. BTW, there is no complaint against me and I am being visited by police every week. Ground reality is a bitch.
  - bipin-nag 12y ago
    Can you give a source. That looks very made-up.
    - cubancigar11 12y ago
      What source you want? You seriously don't expect me to public my identity here, do you? I was about to give you my case number of anticipatory bail. But seriously, what source you want? EDIT: On more thought, if you really want to know the ground reality you can call anyone in http://www.saveindianfamily.org/ http://www.saveindianfamily.org/ . Their Bangalore chapter know my case.
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bipin-nag 12y ago

It is a community meet, hosted by Europe's largest association of hacker. It is not an official gathering of human right leaders, they act on selfish interests. Are they known for their humanitarian efforts, certainly not. If anything they would break and work against the security measures, malicious or not depends on them. Through the entire meeting, they mocked the laws, quoting from handful cases which you have been able to find and discussing various security measures as they are used now. Bottom line is break the system for freedom of expression! They are just forcing governments hand to enforce more restrictions. The last thing we need is international hacker groups vouching for freedom of expression in India. Lastly surveillance in India is nothing compared to the surveillance done by NSA or PLA. A few cases may happen here and there, but it will always be a few. The parent comment was unnecessary sensational.

skrebbel 12y ago
May I remind you that you are posting on a site called "Hacker News"?
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- bipin-nag 12y ago
  Hacker News has nothing to do with hacking, you certainly know it. Can you prove the same for that community. Can you? Everyone reading the post is hung up on word hackers. People keep playing the word loose. Even if it is for fun can you deny they can do no harm. Kindly imagine the hypocrisy and the irony of them suggesting how we should manage freedom of expression by mocking our internet safeguard. Come on. I believed in Hacker News being a place where you could discuss with open mind, why is it so hard for other people to accept this point.
  - Chronic29 12y ago
    You are not allowed to discuss what is on your mind. On HN, you can only share opinions consistent with the HN norm.
cubancigar11 12y ago
My wife has left me. And my phone is getting surveilled. Don't ask me how I know it. What do you think I should do? - An Indian in Varanasi. BTW, there is no complaint against me and I am being visited by police every week. Ground reality is a bitch.
- bipin-nag 12y ago
  Can you give a source. That looks very made-up.
  - cubancigar11 12y ago
    What source you want? You seriously don't expect me to public my identity here, do you? I was about to give you my case number of anticipatory bail. But seriously, what source you want? EDIT: On more thought, if you really want to know the ground reality you can call anyone in http://www.saveindianfamily.org/ http://www.saveindianfamily.org/ . Their Bangalore chapter know my case.
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