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That puzzles me. Why would one want to get into Facebook? Do they pay that well?

penprog 12y ago
They pay well and if you leave the HN/Reddit bubble, there are CS students out there (that are pretty smart) that really would LOVE to have jobs at Microsoft/Facebook/Yahoo/ (insert any company unpopular on HN here).
- Igglyboo 12y ago
  Graduating CS student here, Google is my dream job. I would also be exceedingly happy to work at any of the following: Facebook, Microsoft, Apple, IBM, Amazon, Intel, etc. Starting my own startup sounds cool and all but it would be too much work for me and I just because I don't agree 100% with a companies policies doesn't make them an undesirable workplace.
  - thecage411 12y ago
    I'm curious, why is it your dream job and why would you be exceedingly happy to work for any of those companies listed? Is it the money? Prestige? You think you'll learn more at one of those places than others? Stability?
    - Igglyboo 12y ago
      Mainly the prestige but all four of those are good points. There aren't many places where you have an opportunity to do things for the sake of doing them, most places either don't value technology or don't have to budget to investigate new and interesting technology. I love the place I currently work and love the people I work with, however I don't want to be doing line of business crud apps forever. If I could get a good wage in academia I would but it seems much less likely than getting a job at one of those companies I listed.
  - onedev 12y ago
    Personally I wouldn't put Microsoft, IBM, Amazon, or Intel anywhere in the same league as Facebook, Google, or Apple
    - azatris 12y ago
      Please elaborate as I am currently applying for internships in four of them. :)
      - theonemind 12y ago
        From my outsider perspective, I don't even keep track of these things much: * Amazon seems to have a reputation for burning employees out. * IBM seems quite stagnant. They're basically a huge consulting/services company, not very interesting. * No one really thinks Microsoft can innovate anymore. They're pretty much coasting on Windows and Office, and that's been eroding for a long time. They don't seem to be able to execute anything successfully. Do you know anyone with a Windows phone? Remember the Zune? Do you search with Bing? What are they doing? Desperately trying to do anything to stay relevant, and failing badly. They're on the IBM lifecycle path, but they're not yet just a large services/consulting company. They're still trying to build products, and they just suck. What are your associations with Microsoft right now? When I think of Apple, I think of the iphone/ipod/itunes. When I think of Microsoft, I think of the Windows 8 interface.
        cmdrfred 12y ago
        Even Apple can't innovate anymore, they coast on prestige alone.
  - stefan_kendall3 12y ago
    You really don't want to work at IBM or Amazon.
- VLM 12y ago
  Some students are just innocently confused. One fellow student of mine wanted to work at microsoft so she could develop the next (I forget exactly) which was never developed at MS, they just bought a little startup, slapped the MS name and logo on it, marked the price way up, and went into maint mode (which is really boring). She genuinely thought they innovate internally rather than thru purchasing startups (aka outsourced R+D) Some people specifically want to do maint mode work, but she very specifically wanted to develop "new products" like an example I know was merely a turnkey purchased startup.
  - penprog 12y ago
    I would say they are less innocently confused and prioritize money/benefits over working on interesting tech.
georgemcbay 12y ago
Companies like Facebook, Google, Apple and (yes, even still) Microsoft are wonderful door openers, sort of like ivy league colleges. You may have learned nothing more than someone who worked at a local CRUD shop, but just having been through the vetting process of a highly-recognizable tech company gives you two legs up when you are interviewing at other places later.
Igglyboo 12y ago
Facebook has 829 million daily users, to work on a project of that scale is a once in a lifetime opportunity for most people. Also yes they pay well.
- Scuds 12y ago
  For the people building the customer accessible stuff, yes. But they also have a need for things that aren't at the point where saving cycles will make a difference.
- dkarapetyan 12y ago
  You make it sound like Facebook is a 10 man operation where everyone gets to make decisions and have an impact on the outcome of company initiatives. Trust me that's not what it looks like when you're on the ground floor.
  - Igglyboo 12y ago
    I didn't imply either of those things.
girvo 12y ago
They build some amazing technology. I don't think I could get over my issues with Facebook enough to work there, but part of me desperately wants to work on Hack and HHVM with them (thank the flying spaghetti monster for open source software!).
- dkarapetyan 12y ago
  It's all open source. Here's HHVM: https://github.com/facebook/hhvm https://github.com/facebook/hhvm. What's stopping you from working on it now? For all intents and purposes you would be hacking on it with them.
  - girvo 12y ago
    I am, hence my parenthetical. Currently on the application/tools side, building some infrastructure and pushing the language to find it's rough edges, but I've been learning OCaml to be able to get stuck into the code directly. On the other hand, there's something to be said for working directly with the main developers in a room with them!
zippergz 12y ago
Facebook pays well, has good benefits, is relatively stable (very stable compared to an early stage startup), offers an opportunity to work on a much larger scale than almost any startup, and is (mostly) populated with a group of very smart people. I'm puzzled by why wanting to get into that situation would seem odd.
- aetherson 12y ago
  Well, at risk of trying to read the mind of your parent poster, I suspect it seems odd because that person thinks that working at Facebook is unlikely to (for a junior employee) involve stimulating work, interact meaningfully with Facebook's scale, or build skills necessary for more senior-level work later in one's career. And be frustrating on an organizational level and involve working at a kind of douchey company. And right now, I think there's at least a perception that the instability of smaller companies is compensated for by a very strong job market, that you can find very smart people in lots of places, and that most of the non-monetary benefits are unlikely to be really worthwhile at least for young healthy people. Leaving basically pay as the differentiating factor. I don't whole-heartedly endorse the above analysis, but I think it has large elements of truth in it. If my hypothetical 22 year old niece told me she had job offers from Facebook and also from a small start-up, I suspect I'd advise her to take the Facebook job and quit 1-2 years later. But I'm not sure my advice would be correct.
  - Scuds 12y ago
    > I suspect I'd advise her to take the Facebook job and quit 1-2 years later. But I'm not sure my advice would be correct. No idea about the short term stay as they always have interesting challenges, but, yes, Facebook is a household name; everybody's used it. It counts for quite a bit in the self-marketing department, even if you _are_ just doing entry level work.

They pay well and if you leave the HN/Reddit bubble, there are CS students out there (that are pretty smart) that really would LOVE to have jobs at Microsoft/Facebook/Yahoo/ (insert any company unpopular on HN here).

Igglyboo 12y ago
Graduating CS student here, Google is my dream job. I would also be exceedingly happy to work at any of the following: Facebook, Microsoft, Apple, IBM, Amazon, Intel, etc. Starting my own startup sounds cool and all but it would be too much work for me and I just because I don't agree 100% with a companies policies doesn't make them an undesirable workplace.
- thecage411 12y ago
  I'm curious, why is it your dream job and why would you be exceedingly happy to work for any of those companies listed? Is it the money? Prestige? You think you'll learn more at one of those places than others? Stability?
  - Igglyboo 12y ago
    Mainly the prestige but all four of those are good points. There aren't many places where you have an opportunity to do things for the sake of doing them, most places either don't value technology or don't have to budget to investigate new and interesting technology. I love the place I currently work and love the people I work with, however I don't want to be doing line of business crud apps forever. If I could get a good wage in academia I would but it seems much less likely than getting a job at one of those companies I listed.
- onedev 12y ago
  Personally I wouldn't put Microsoft, IBM, Amazon, or Intel anywhere in the same league as Facebook, Google, or Apple
  - azatris 12y ago
    Please elaborate as I am currently applying for internships in four of them. :)
    - theonemind 12y ago
      From my outsider perspective, I don't even keep track of these things much: * Amazon seems to have a reputation for burning employees out. * IBM seems quite stagnant. They're basically a huge consulting/services company, not very interesting. * No one really thinks Microsoft can innovate anymore. They're pretty much coasting on Windows and Office, and that's been eroding for a long time. They don't seem to be able to execute anything successfully. Do you know anyone with a Windows phone? Remember the Zune? Do you search with Bing? What are they doing? Desperately trying to do anything to stay relevant, and failing badly. They're on the IBM lifecycle path, but they're not yet just a large services/consulting company. They're still trying to build products, and they just suck. What are your associations with Microsoft right now? When I think of Apple, I think of the iphone/ipod/itunes. When I think of Microsoft, I think of the Windows 8 interface.
      - cmdrfred 12y ago
        Even Apple can't innovate anymore, they coast on prestige alone.
- stefan_kendall3 12y ago
  You really don't want to work at IBM or Amazon.
VLM 12y ago
Some students are just innocently confused. One fellow student of mine wanted to work at microsoft so she could develop the next (I forget exactly) which was never developed at MS, they just bought a little startup, slapped the MS name and logo on it, marked the price way up, and went into maint mode (which is really boring). She genuinely thought they innovate internally rather than thru purchasing startups (aka outsourced R+D) Some people specifically want to do maint mode work, but she very specifically wanted to develop "new products" like an example I know was merely a turnkey purchased startup.
- penprog 12y ago
  I would say they are less innocently confused and prioritize money/benefits over working on interesting tech.

georgemcbay 12y ago

Companies like Facebook, Google, Apple and (yes, even still) Microsoft are wonderful door openers, sort of like ivy league colleges. You may have learned nothing more than someone who worked at a local CRUD shop, but just having been through the vetting process of a highly-recognizable tech company gives you two legs up when you are interviewing at other places later.

Igglyboo 12y ago

Facebook has 829 million daily users, to work on a project of that scale is a once in a lifetime opportunity for most people. Also yes they pay well.

Scuds 12y ago
For the people building the customer accessible stuff, yes. But they also have a need for things that aren't at the point where saving cycles will make a difference.
dkarapetyan 12y ago
You make it sound like Facebook is a 10 man operation where everyone gets to make decisions and have an impact on the outcome of company initiatives. Trust me that's not what it looks like when you're on the ground floor.
- Igglyboo 12y ago
  I didn't imply either of those things.

girvo 12y ago

They build some amazing technology. I don't think I could get over my issues with Facebook enough to work there, but part of me desperately wants to work on Hack and HHVM with them (thank the flying spaghetti monster for open source software!).

dkarapetyan 12y ago
It's all open source. Here's HHVM: https://github.com/facebook/hhvm https://github.com/facebook/hhvm. What's stopping you from working on it now? For all intents and purposes you would be hacking on it with them.
- girvo 12y ago
  I am, hence my parenthetical. Currently on the application/tools side, building some infrastructure and pushing the language to find it's rough edges, but I've been learning OCaml to be able to get stuck into the code directly. On the other hand, there's something to be said for working directly with the main developers in a room with them!

zippergz 12y ago

Facebook pays well, has good benefits, is relatively stable (very stable compared to an early stage startup), offers an opportunity to work on a much larger scale than almost any startup, and is (mostly) populated with a group of very smart people. I'm puzzled by why wanting to get into that situation would seem odd.

aetherson 12y ago
Well, at risk of trying to read the mind of your parent poster, I suspect it seems odd because that person thinks that working at Facebook is unlikely to (for a junior employee) involve stimulating work, interact meaningfully with Facebook's scale, or build skills necessary for more senior-level work later in one's career. And be frustrating on an organizational level and involve working at a kind of douchey company. And right now, I think there's at least a perception that the instability of smaller companies is compensated for by a very strong job market, that you can find very smart people in lots of places, and that most of the non-monetary benefits are unlikely to be really worthwhile at least for young healthy people. Leaving basically pay as the differentiating factor. I don't whole-heartedly endorse the above analysis, but I think it has large elements of truth in it. If my hypothetical 22 year old niece told me she had job offers from Facebook and also from a small start-up, I suspect I'd advise her to take the Facebook job and quit 1-2 years later. But I'm not sure my advice would be correct.
- Scuds 12y ago
  > I suspect I'd advise her to take the Facebook job and quit 1-2 years later. But I'm not sure my advice would be correct. No idea about the short term stay as they always have interesting challenges, but, yes, Facebook is a household name; everybody's used it. It counts for quite a bit in the self-marketing department, even if you _are_ just doing entry level work.