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First off, iCloud has worked great for me. Secondly, you're not made to use it at all... Apple makes it really easy to turn off in settings, and with particular

by MCRed 12y ago

First off, iCloud has worked great for me. Secondly, you're not made to use it at all... Apple makes it really easy to turn off in settings, and with particularly fine grained control. If you don't use it, things fall back gracefully to local storage. Thirdly, I've not seen a competitor that works better. Google isn't even trying (it's web only- the equivalent of iCloud.com without the numbers, pages and keynote apps for mobile and desktop.) That's not a slam on google, the web is what google does. It's just the closest competitor. If iCloud was bad in comparison to something else, people would be using that other thing. I'm just glad I can now finally get rid of Dropbox once and for all.

ZoFreX 12y ago
Did you even read the article? It's asking developers of third-party apps to not use the iCloud sync backend for their apps, due to a lot of problems they are seeing with it.
Mikeb85 12y ago
> Google isn't even trying (it's web only- the equivalent of iCloud.com without the numbers, pages and keynote apps for mobile and desktop.) That's not a slam on google, the web is what google does. It's just the closest competitor. Really? Google syncs docs, photos, music, and all sorts of stuff from mobile devices. They have a Drive desktop client (for PC and Mac). And you say it doesn't have the equivalent of Numbers, Pages, or Keynote, but they do. It just so happens that there's a web client for all your word processing, spreadsheet and presentation needs in Google-land (with very cool features like simultaneous multi-user editing and Javascript scripting with a script repository). Anyhow, Google does have equivalents to what you listed, they work great, not sure about iCloud (don't use it), just wanted to clear that up.
- a_c_s 12y ago
  You missed the key word: "numbers, pages and keynote APPS". The parent's point is that Google doesn't have an offline version of their productivity suite, so they aren't trying to do the same thing Apple is.
  - emu 12y ago
    Sure they do: https://support.google.com/docs/answer/2375012?hl=en https://support.google.com/docs/answer/2375012?hl=en
  - Mikeb85 12y ago
    https://support.google.com/docs/answer/2375012?hl=en https://support.google.com/docs/answer/2375012?hl=en Jus sayin'... Browser based doesn't mean online-only...
  - kukkukb 12y ago
    Yes they do: https://play.google.com/store/search?q=google%20docs&hl=en https://play.google.com/store/search?q=google%20docs&hl=en Docs, Sheets and Slides are all APPS now, with real-time syncing
- MCRed 12y ago
  When your spreadsheet is a web app, you don't need to sync. Because there is no native app to sync to. That's a whole lot easier than figuring out how to do sync.
  - Mikeb85 12y ago
    Really? So websites just magically sync data? This is news. And here I am messing with databases n shit....
tolmasky 12y ago
The article is a pretty clearly a plea to third party developers, not Apple, asking them to not force him to use iCloud as the only syncing option. Turning off iCloud, and disabling sync altogether is not really a "fix" (hobsons' choice more like it).
jacobsenscott 12y ago
Google docs are available offline - https://support.google.com/docs/answer/2375012?hl=en https://support.google.com/docs/answer/2375012?hl=en
robomartin 12y ago
"Apple makes it really easy to turn off in settings, and with particularly fine grained control." Unless things changed since the last time I looked, no, not really. If you decide to turn off iCloud after using it for a period of time you risk having contacts, calendars, notes and other data deleted. This happened to my wife. She had to disconnect due to HIPPA and lost piles of information in the process. Yes, if you are a tech person there are ways to avoid that. That is nit the case for the average person. I think this is really shitty of Apple. How hard would it be to ask: Would you like to keep <information> stored in your <device> after disabling iCloud? Not sure what this says about Apple.

by MCRed 12y ago

ZoFreX 12y ago

Did you even read the article? It's asking developers of third-party apps to not use the iCloud sync backend for their apps, due to a lot of problems they are seeing with it.

Mikeb85 12y ago

> Google isn't even trying (it's web only- the equivalent of iCloud.com without the numbers, pages and keynote apps for mobile and desktop.) That's not a slam on google, the web is what google does. It's just the closest competitor. Really? Google syncs docs, photos, music, and all sorts of stuff from mobile devices. They have a Drive desktop client (for PC and Mac). And you say it doesn't have the equivalent of Numbers, Pages, or Keynote, but they do. It just so happens that there's a web client for all your word processing, spreadsheet and presentation needs in Google-land (with very cool features like simultaneous multi-user editing and Javascript scripting with a script repository). Anyhow, Google does have equivalents to what you listed, they work great, not sure about iCloud (don't use it), just wanted to clear that up.

a_c_s 12y ago
You missed the key word: "numbers, pages and keynote APPS". The parent's point is that Google doesn't have an offline version of their productivity suite, so they aren't trying to do the same thing Apple is.
- emu 12y ago
  Sure they do: https://support.google.com/docs/answer/2375012?hl=en https://support.google.com/docs/answer/2375012?hl=en
- Mikeb85 12y ago
  https://support.google.com/docs/answer/2375012?hl=en https://support.google.com/docs/answer/2375012?hl=en Jus sayin'... Browser based doesn't mean online-only...
- kukkukb 12y ago
  Yes they do: https://play.google.com/store/search?q=google%20docs&hl=en https://play.google.com/store/search?q=google%20docs&hl=en Docs, Sheets and Slides are all APPS now, with real-time syncing
MCRed 12y ago
When your spreadsheet is a web app, you don't need to sync. Because there is no native app to sync to. That's a whole lot easier than figuring out how to do sync.
- Mikeb85 12y ago
  Really? So websites just magically sync data? This is news. And here I am messing with databases n shit....

tolmasky 12y ago

The article is a pretty clearly a plea to third party developers, not Apple, asking them to not force him to use iCloud as the only syncing option. Turning off iCloud, and disabling sync altogether is not really a "fix" (hobsons' choice more like it).

jacobsenscott 12y ago

Google docs are available offline - https://support.google.com/docs/answer/2375012?hl=en https://support.google.com/docs/answer/2375012?hl=en

robomartin 12y ago

"Apple makes it really easy to turn off in settings, and with particularly fine grained control." Unless things changed since the last time I looked, no, not really. If you decide to turn off iCloud after using it for a period of time you risk having contacts, calendars, notes and other data deleted. This happened to my wife. She had to disconnect due to HIPPA and lost piles of information in the process. Yes, if you are a tech person there are ways to avoid that. That is nit the case for the average person. I think this is really shitty of Apple. How hard would it be to ask: Would you like to keep <information> stored in your <device> after disabling iCloud? Not sure what this says about Apple.