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> thats' fair, iCloud is not meant to be used with non-apple signed binaries. so you fall outside the usecase for iCloud. What do you mean with this?

dijit 12y ago
if you're downloading software from outside the app store then you can't be angry that those packages aren't allowed to talk to iCloud- probably (and I'm speculating) each binary is signed when it leaves the app store so it's allowed to talk to iCloud, I imagine this is a seperate mechanism than the one needed for auth. and using iCloud from non-mac devices is another. I don't expect my Linux machine to be able to access iCloud. but perhaps I'm underestimating the flexibility, or overestimating the security.
- pjc50 12y ago
  That has basically told me "never use iCloud, it's a proprietary Apple system that you can't get your data out of without their blessing".
  - dijit 12y ago
    I've never claimed otherwise. this thing is good for syncing data, if you want the data back get it from your programs. it's designed to be secure and easy for users not easy for hackers/coders.
  - micampe 12y ago
    I can't think of any iCloud data you can't download from the website or that is not already on your machine anyway.
  - snowwrestler 12y ago
    > it's a proprietary Apple system Yes, that's true. > that you can't get your data out of without their blessing No, that is not true.
    - pjc50 12y ago
      I genuinely don't know, I develop in Windowsland and what I'm going on is what I read in this thread. A post above said: if you're downloading software from outside the app store then you can't be angry that those packages aren't allowed to talk to iCloud- probably (and I'm speculating) each binary is signed when it leaves the app store so it's allowed to talk to iCloud and I don't expect my Linux machine to be able to access iCloud which suggest that there is something specific about this that locks the user into Apple hardware and software. Is getting a Linux machine to talk to it just a matter of reverse-engineering the protocol, or is there more to it?
      - snowwrestler 12y ago
        I'm just saying there is a difference between a proprietary system and needing a company's "blessing" to get data out of it. If I save bookmarks in IE on Windows 8, I can only sync that data with another Windows 8 machine. That doesn't mean I need Microsoft's blessing to do so--just one or more of their products--which anyone can buy on the open market.
        zyx321 12y ago
        Firefox and Chrome will sync my bookmarks to any device I use. Safari and IE will not. I will not buy an iOS or WinRT device.
- mikeash 12y ago
  I don't understand. Why can't I be angry about Apple artificially limiting what apps can use the service, and also indirectly limiting what apps can do if they use the service?

dijit 12y ago

if you're downloading software from outside the app store then you can't be angry that those packages aren't allowed to talk to iCloud- probably (and I'm speculating) each binary is signed when it leaves the app store so it's allowed to talk to iCloud, I imagine this is a seperate mechanism than the one needed for auth. and using iCloud from non-mac devices is another. I don't expect my Linux machine to be able to access iCloud. but perhaps I'm underestimating the flexibility, or overestimating the security.

pjc50 12y ago
That has basically told me "never use iCloud, it's a proprietary Apple system that you can't get your data out of without their blessing".
- dijit 12y ago
  I've never claimed otherwise. this thing is good for syncing data, if you want the data back get it from your programs. it's designed to be secure and easy for users not easy for hackers/coders.
- micampe 12y ago
  I can't think of any iCloud data you can't download from the website or that is not already on your machine anyway.
- snowwrestler 12y ago
  > it's a proprietary Apple system Yes, that's true. > that you can't get your data out of without their blessing No, that is not true.
  - pjc50 12y ago
    I genuinely don't know, I develop in Windowsland and what I'm going on is what I read in this thread. A post above said: if you're downloading software from outside the app store then you can't be angry that those packages aren't allowed to talk to iCloud- probably (and I'm speculating) each binary is signed when it leaves the app store so it's allowed to talk to iCloud and I don't expect my Linux machine to be able to access iCloud which suggest that there is something specific about this that locks the user into Apple hardware and software. Is getting a Linux machine to talk to it just a matter of reverse-engineering the protocol, or is there more to it?
    - snowwrestler 12y ago
      I'm just saying there is a difference between a proprietary system and needing a company's "blessing" to get data out of it. If I save bookmarks in IE on Windows 8, I can only sync that data with another Windows 8 machine. That doesn't mean I need Microsoft's blessing to do so--just one or more of their products--which anyone can buy on the open market.
      - zyx321 12y ago
        Firefox and Chrome will sync my bookmarks to any device I use. Safari and IE will not. I will not buy an iOS or WinRT device.
mikeash 12y ago
I don't understand. Why can't I be angry about Apple artificially limiting what apps can use the service, and also indirectly limiting what apps can do if they use the service?