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i think apprenticeship followed by certification will be the next "university". extract a course catalog from your social networks.

mkuhn 17y ago
Interesting Idea, in Switzerland we already have that but it isn't respected or appreciated as highly as a "pure" University degree. Maybe we have to see the differing purposes the two possibilities have 1. Apprenticship followed by certification is for people with "real world", jobs that work relatively hands-on 2. University in the classical sense is more about furthering the scientific background, pushing the boundaries of a discipline? What do you think?
- jonsen 17y ago
  .. isn't respected or appreciated By whom? And on what premises? Ingrained cultural norms? Trying to reshape education you are up against strong forces.
  - mkuhn 17y ago
    The education is of a different level and people get a more practical view on the advanced topics. It isn't as respected because of historical isues but also because of the differing levels that the education through the differing paths (wants to) achieve(s). But I think you shouldn't compare Apples with Pears. I think the purpose of the two paths is different as explained in my last comment above. Officials in Switzerland and especially the OECD often claim that Switzerland has a too low rate of University Graduates but I don't necessarily think so, it is another angle from which the question on how to redesign education can be approached. One thing you're definitely right is that there are quite a few string foirces out there that like the status quo.
    - jonsen 17y ago
      Strong forces towards status quo equals high stability. Not necessarily a bad thing. If you want change think chaos theory. Find the trigger that makes the system jump to a new pattern of stability.
- jonsen 17y ago
  I think it's mandatory to get a nuanced view over the purposes of various educations. I see a wide spectrum from the narrow focused vocational training to the preparation for cutting-edge development.
  - jhaglund 17y ago
    I also don't think people should go to "university" (or apprentice) just once in their lifetime. Education, and a diversifying of knowledge, should be life long. i'm not talking about vocational training, more akin to pair programming for accountants or something. everybody has an intern, everybody is an intern somewhere else.

mkuhn 17y ago

Interesting Idea, in Switzerland we already have that but it isn't respected or appreciated as highly as a "pure" University degree. Maybe we have to see the differing purposes the two possibilities have 1. Apprenticship followed by certification is for people with "real world", jobs that work relatively hands-on 2. University in the classical sense is more about furthering the scientific background, pushing the boundaries of a discipline? What do you think?

jonsen 17y ago
.. isn't respected or appreciated By whom? And on what premises? Ingrained cultural norms? Trying to reshape education you are up against strong forces.
- mkuhn 17y ago
  The education is of a different level and people get a more practical view on the advanced topics. It isn't as respected because of historical isues but also because of the differing levels that the education through the differing paths (wants to) achieve(s). But I think you shouldn't compare Apples with Pears. I think the purpose of the two paths is different as explained in my last comment above. Officials in Switzerland and especially the OECD often claim that Switzerland has a too low rate of University Graduates but I don't necessarily think so, it is another angle from which the question on how to redesign education can be approached. One thing you're definitely right is that there are quite a few string foirces out there that like the status quo.
  - jonsen 17y ago
    Strong forces towards status quo equals high stability. Not necessarily a bad thing. If you want change think chaos theory. Find the trigger that makes the system jump to a new pattern of stability.
jonsen 17y ago
I think it's mandatory to get a nuanced view over the purposes of various educations. I see a wide spectrum from the narrow focused vocational training to the preparation for cutting-edge development.
- jhaglund 17y ago
  I also don't think people should go to "university" (or apprentice) just once in their lifetime. Education, and a diversifying of knowledge, should be life long. i'm not talking about vocational training, more akin to pair programming for accountants or something. everybody has an intern, everybody is an intern somewhere else.