> The anti-systemd-brigade only seems to be a small minority of Debian devs (though they're very loud, and very persistent) The pro-systemd brigade only seems

> The anti-systemd-brigade only seems to be a small minority of Debian devs (though they're very loud, and very persistent) The pro-systemd brigade only seems to be a small minority of Debian devs (though they're extremely loud, and trollishly persistent). I've thought for a long time that they must have a place where they all hang out in secret and share links to discussions where they need a pro-systemd response / a handful of downvotes. In this way they give the impression that their numbers are much larger (the reasoning here is that for any given post or discussion, if the number of "ambient" / "organic" critical comments or downvotes that it receives is a proxy for how critical the community at large is, so by sharing links they make it seem like there's a broad base of support for systemd). This kind of thing seems to happen periodically, where a person / group of people railroads a decision using methods that are outside the "accepted" set of methods for OSS development, namely meritocratic discussions. Who knows what their motivations are. It probably varies per person. Having "I designed and implemented a new init system and got all the major distributions to adopt it" on a resume is a huge demonstration of "impact", which is something that really pays off in a lot of companies / organizations. "Impact" isn't always "progress", though.