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> I'd really welcome the anti-systemd ranters to just do some work that makes them feel happy, such as making a new distribution that has the exact init system

by adekok 12y ago

> I'd really welcome the anti-systemd ranters to just do some work that makes them feel happy, such as making a new distribution that has the exact init system they want. Most people are already working on things that make them happy. The frustration here is that the tools they depend on are changing... in a way that they don't like. They also have limited time for projects. Any time spent fixing other peoples projects is time they don't spend on their own projects. I left the Linux desktop world nearly 10 years ago, for these kind of reasons. I use a Mac as my desktop, because I don't have to fight with it. 99% of everything works, and the other 1% breakages are ones I can live with.

XorNot 12y ago
You know, provided Apple continue to agree with you...it seems more like you're just zenning over the fact that even if you did disagree, you couldn't change anything. Choice is widely regarded as actually making people more unhappy. EDIT: It's also an ironic comment, since a frequent criticism of systemd is that it's trying to be too much like Apple's launchd.
- adekok 12y ago
  I'm not "zenning over" anything. I need a computer to get work done. I don't need to be mucking with the computer to keep it working. My choice is to use a (mostly) closed system, because it meets my needs. Other people don't like systemd because they feel it removes their choices. There is no contradiction in the two approaches. There's also no irony. If Unix had started out with something like systemd, fewer people would be complaining about it now. It's the change that people don't like. And the apparent removal of choice.
rodgerd 12y ago
> I use a Mac as my desktop, because I don't have to fight with it. 99% of everything works, and the other 1% breakages are ones I can live with. So there you are, happy with a radically non-traditional Unix environment (no X, launchd is one of the patterns systemd is copying, etc).

by adekok 12y ago

XorNot 12y ago

You know, provided Apple continue to agree with you...it seems more like you're just zenning over the fact that even if you did disagree, you couldn't change anything. Choice is widely regarded as actually making people more unhappy. EDIT: It's also an ironic comment, since a frequent criticism of systemd is that it's trying to be too much like Apple's launchd.

adekok 12y ago
I'm not "zenning over" anything. I need a computer to get work done. I don't need to be mucking with the computer to keep it working. My choice is to use a (mostly) closed system, because it meets my needs. Other people don't like systemd because they feel it removes their choices. There is no contradiction in the two approaches. There's also no irony. If Unix had started out with something like systemd, fewer people would be complaining about it now. It's the change that people don't like. And the apparent removal of choice.

rodgerd 12y ago

> I use a Mac as my desktop, because I don't have to fight with it. 99% of everything works, and the other 1% breakages are ones I can live with. So there you are, happy with a radically non-traditional Unix environment (no X, launchd is one of the patterns systemd is copying, etc).