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Decoupling systemd is a feature desired by system administrators, who are responsible for installing and managing most debian and debian-based distros.

by 23david 12y ago

0x006A 12y ago
on the contrary, systemd is a feature desired by system administrators, who are responsible for installing and managing most debian and debian-based distros.
- TheSwordsman 12y ago
  As someone who manages a large Debuntu fleet, please don't speak on my behalf. If I had the opportunity to vote for systemd it would have been 'no'.
  - pantalaimon 12y ago
    Have you ever used it?
    - mverwijs 12y ago
      I have. I ran Arch for 3 years, up until 3 months after they implemented systemd. It made a KISS situation incredible complex. I switched back to Debian on my desktop after that. If Debian switches to systemd, I'll switch to Slackware, until SystemD has proven iteself to be stable and simple to administer. Not before.
      - buster 12y ago
        I've installed systemd on Debian testing months ago and have not had a single problem. https://wiki.debian.org/systemd https://wiki.debian.org/systemd has some hints. I think it's likely when Jessie is released you'll most likely find that stuff still works.
      - LukaD 12y ago
        I other words, you have not used systemd.
        pessimizer 12y ago
        In the same words, mverwijs ran systemd for 3 months.
      - zyx321 12y ago
        That was 2 years ago, have you given it another try since?
  - ownagefool 12y ago
    Is that because you think it's somehow technically inferior or because you you've learnt a whole bunch of skills and don't really want to have to replace them? I mean, would you like to see the init system change, period?
    - 23david 12y ago
      It's great to have new and alternative init systems (and process managers) to use. Nobody is complaining about having to learn new skills. Yes I want a better init system and process manager setup. But personally, I'm not sure that goal is worth losing Unix distro compatibility. I would love a system that works the same across OSX, BSD's, Illumos and other newer experimental OS's etc.
  - rdc12 12y ago
    And you don't speak on behalf of every other sysadmin on the planet either
    - therealidiot 12y ago
      Isn't this a pointless statement? Nobody does.
  - click170 12y ago
    May I ask why? There's a whole lot of "I don't/do like it" and "It did/didn't work for me" but not a lot of explanation of why they do or don't like it, or what didn't work, and I'm interested in those details.
- therealidiot 12y ago
  I'd rather not be forced to use something because some people decided it's "what system administrators want."
  - shawnz 12y ago
    Isn't that why you used sysvinit?

Decoupling systemd is a feature desired by system administrators, who are responsible for installing and managing most debian and debian-based distros.

by 23david 12y ago

Decoupling systemd is a feature desired by system administrators, who are responsible for installing and managing most debian and debian-based distros.

0x006A 12y ago

on the contrary, systemd is a feature desired by system administrators, who are responsible for installing and managing most debian and debian-based distros.

TheSwordsman 12y ago
As someone who manages a large Debuntu fleet, please don't speak on my behalf. If I had the opportunity to vote for systemd it would have been 'no'.
- pantalaimon 12y ago
  Have you ever used it?
  - mverwijs 12y ago
    I have. I ran Arch for 3 years, up until 3 months after they implemented systemd. It made a KISS situation incredible complex. I switched back to Debian on my desktop after that. If Debian switches to systemd, I'll switch to Slackware, until SystemD has proven iteself to be stable and simple to administer. Not before.
    - buster 12y ago
      I've installed systemd on Debian testing months ago and have not had a single problem. https://wiki.debian.org/systemd https://wiki.debian.org/systemd has some hints. I think it's likely when Jessie is released you'll most likely find that stuff still works.
    - LukaD 12y ago
      I other words, you have not used systemd.
      - pessimizer 12y ago
        In the same words, mverwijs ran systemd for 3 months.
    - zyx321 12y ago
      That was 2 years ago, have you given it another try since?
- ownagefool 12y ago
  Is that because you think it's somehow technically inferior or because you you've learnt a whole bunch of skills and don't really want to have to replace them? I mean, would you like to see the init system change, period?
  - 23david 12y ago
    It's great to have new and alternative init systems (and process managers) to use. Nobody is complaining about having to learn new skills. Yes I want a better init system and process manager setup. But personally, I'm not sure that goal is worth losing Unix distro compatibility. I would love a system that works the same across OSX, BSD's, Illumos and other newer experimental OS's etc.
- rdc12 12y ago
  And you don't speak on behalf of every other sysadmin on the planet either
  - therealidiot 12y ago
    Isn't this a pointless statement? Nobody does.
- click170 12y ago
  May I ask why? There's a whole lot of "I don't/do like it" and "It did/didn't work for me" but not a lot of explanation of why they do or don't like it, or what didn't work, and I'm interested in those details.
therealidiot 12y ago
I'd rather not be forced to use something because some people decided it's "what system administrators want."
- shawnz 12y ago
  Isn't that why you used sysvinit?