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I really don't think you should look for a competing offer unless you're willing to accept that offer if you don't get what you want from your current e

by x0x0 12y ago

I really don't think you should look for a competing offer unless you're willing to accept that offer if you don't get what you want from your current employer. That mostly sounds like whining after you were handed a warm (or better!) prospect and screwed up the sale. Also, unless you're one of the very very few companies that are honest in their job descriptions, offer a good work environment, and release the salary plus comp on offer at the beginning of the negotiation rather than the end, you're wasting a candidate's time just as much as he or she is wasting yours, if you choose to view it that way.

vinceguidry 12y ago
> That mostly sounds like whining after you were handed a warm (or better!) prospect and screwed up the sale. Would you shop around for a new job without any intention of taking it?
- x0x0 12y ago
  and you wonder why you have problems hiring an engineer reaches out to you, and your reaction is, "Show me I'm not wasting my time"
  - vinceguidry 12y ago
    You need to get straight who you're replying to. I'm not the guy who said he's having problems hiring. I'm somebody else. I've never hired anybody. I've only looked for jobs. I'm asking you an honest question here. Would you, personally, engage another company about a job that you don't have the intention of taking, in order to gain leverage over your current company? I can't see myself as being willing to do such a thing, but I'm interested in the thought processes of someone who would. Maybe I'm operating under false pretenses. You don't know unless you ask.
    - x0x0 12y ago
      And I'm asking you an honest question: if a prospect walks in your door, do you either (1) sell them, or (2) demand they prove they are in the market and aren't wasting your time. Maybe that person has a 5% chance of closing, or maybe they have a 90% chance. Nonetheless, when you go with the "prove you aren't wasting my time" plan, the probabilities plummet.
      - vinceguidry 12y ago
        You are wasting my time right now by not answering my question. Good day sir.

by x0x0 12y ago

vinceguidry 12y ago

> That mostly sounds like whining after you were handed a warm (or better!) prospect and screwed up the sale. Would you shop around for a new job without any intention of taking it?

x0x0 12y ago
and you wonder why you have problems hiring an engineer reaches out to you, and your reaction is, "Show me I'm not wasting my time"
- vinceguidry 12y ago
  You need to get straight who you're replying to. I'm not the guy who said he's having problems hiring. I'm somebody else. I've never hired anybody. I've only looked for jobs. I'm asking you an honest question here. Would you, personally, engage another company about a job that you don't have the intention of taking, in order to gain leverage over your current company? I can't see myself as being willing to do such a thing, but I'm interested in the thought processes of someone who would. Maybe I'm operating under false pretenses. You don't know unless you ask.
  - x0x0 12y ago
    And I'm asking you an honest question: if a prospect walks in your door, do you either (1) sell them, or (2) demand they prove they are in the market and aren't wasting your time. Maybe that person has a 5% chance of closing, or maybe they have a 90% chance. Nonetheless, when you go with the "prove you aren't wasting my time" plan, the probabilities plummet.
    - vinceguidry 12y ago
      You are wasting my time right now by not answering my question. Good day sir.