Yep. And MetaCard was pretty cool for its time. It actually had some Lispish qualities mixed in with the cross-platform, multimedia HyperCard stuff (which was

Yep. And MetaCard was pretty cool for its time. It actually had some Lispish qualities mixed in with the cross-platform, multimedia HyperCard stuff (which was very cool on its own.) There used to be a whitepaper online that explored that aspect of it (HyperCardy 'macros',etc.) RunRev inherited all of that with the MetaCard engine, but of course now there are more compelling offerings for most things...although it's still a pretty neat multimedia tool if you're mainly targeting the desktop or CD-ROMs for some reason. I wouldn't personally use it for web stuff or DVD-ROMs anymore, though. It is flexible. I still know people who use it for everything (including CGIs ;-) ) and I know a couple of shareware developers who still make their livings using it. I'd probably use RunRev before I used something like RealBasic, which is basically in the same market - small, 'soup-to-nuts' shareware developers who want to create desktop apps with multimedia, internet, and database capabilities. Heck, I'd use it before I used Authorware or even some of the Python tools in that general domain (PyCard, etc.) because it was faster to develop and you put out a more polished product, without cross-platform woes. The MetaCard kernel engine is actually pretty fast, execution speed-wise. It could handily beat Perl for some stuff that you wouldn't think it would even be useful for...we scripted a performance testing tool and a utility to put database records into HTML, and it trounced Perl for both tasks. Which was impressive, considering Perl would have sucked at making cross-platform multimedia apps ;-) I almost invested in RunRev when they were first getting started...IIRC, Mike Markkula (Apple fame) did invest in them. The founder, Kevin, is pretty cool. I ended up just becoming a customer and using it as a prototyping tool. I still have an older Pro license and a couple books about RR if anyone is interested... Anyone remember GLPro? That was another niche app we used to make prototypes and build small multimedia apps and screensavers. It had a dBase style engine in it? We used it for a screensaver once and it ended up on an episode of Star Trek Next Generation. Or iShell? That was a later one we used that was based on another defunct Apple tool. It's still around, I think. Even with the huge range of software available today, I miss working with the little, niche multimedia and audio development tools. Those are what got me into programming.