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But you were one of the users who didn't like it (http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=845254 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=845254). What changed your min

by pg 17y ago

But you were one of the users who didn't like it (http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=845254 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=845254). What changed your mind?

anigbrowl 17y ago
You ruined a perfectly good column in which he got to critique the idea from a design standpoint :) Seriously, I don't mind either way but I think with this sort of thing it's best to let it bed in for a week.
dcurtis 17y ago
My initial reaction was negative, especially without the red dot, but it grew on me. I started paying more attention to the content of the comments rather than relying on point bias from the community. But it hasn't been enough time to really get used to it. (The new ranking algorithm has been increasingly irritating though.)
- sammcd 17y ago
  Maybe we should wait 16 more days before we start listening to dcurtis. Seriously though, I am confused why everyone calls the dot red... I felt pretty strongly that it is orange, but now that dcurtis backs it up... I don't know what to do.
  - pg 17y ago
    It was red originally, then orange.
    - sammcd 17y ago
      Thanks a lot, with dcurtis calling it red, I was about to go fiddle with some color settings.
    - die_sekte 17y ago
      Out of interest: for a short while, there where comments with black dots. What did those mean?
skolor 17y ago
I'd like to jump on with everyone else who has said "a day isn't long enough." In particular, a day over the weekend, where the site traffic is way down does not show any real significance as to how it will work out in the long run. A few people have mentioned simply adding the feature as a greasemonkey script, but I would like to point out that the only way something like this works is if everyone does it, not just as an opt in. It may help that user a little bit, but it makes the problem worse over all. From my brief experience with the hidden points it looks like it will cause massive karma inflation. I know it was mentioned that a lot of people set a certain value that they thought a post was worth, and voted to try and help it attain that point. It seems (looking at my karma gain over the weekend, compared to the week before) that far more people vote that way, than were voting with points hidden. As far as point/no points, I vote to put it back. I know its rather anecdotal, but looking at my recent comments I can definitely see which ones were actually worth posting, and which were rather pointless, due to the points that I received for them. In the past, it was hit or miss. Generally, you can expect points for an early comment, no matter what it says, and the total incoming karma would be heavily related to the time of posting. With points hidden, that didn't happen. Figure out what you want to attain, and give it a chance. One day isn't nearly enough.
- cema 17y ago
  [skolor]I know it was mentioned that a lot of people set a certain value that they thought a post was worth, and voted to try and help it attain that point.[/skolor] Interesting! Would it perhaps be worthwhile testing a "score this post", or perhaps even "score this comment", on a fixed scale (say, -5 to 10 points)? Karma could still be calculated the old way, but a post/comment will now have two metrics associated with it, the (new) score and the (old) karma gain/loss?
  - skolor 17y ago
    In the first thread it was mentioned several times that people voted for posts to give them what they felt was a good score, not as a +1/-1/0, but to give them a specific score. For example, I have a fairly reasonable idea of a 1 (http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=848274 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=848274), 5 (http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=848482 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=848482), and 10 (http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=848201 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=848201) point posts (note, these were just chosen fairly quickly off of the front page items, not trying to call anyone out for anything). Generally, I won't down vote people unless they are approaching the next group up when I don't think they deserve it, and will upvote if they are lower than I feel the post deserves. I know several other people mentioned feeling the same way, and it seems like there are far more people who felt that way and refrained from voting on most comments precisely because of that (at least if the jump in comment scores on my posts are indicative of the scoring in general).

by pg 17y ago

But you were one of the users who didn't like it (http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=845254 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=845254). What changed your mind?

anigbrowl 17y ago

You ruined a perfectly good column in which he got to critique the idea from a design standpoint :) Seriously, I don't mind either way but I think with this sort of thing it's best to let it bed in for a week.

dcurtis 17y ago

My initial reaction was negative, especially without the red dot, but it grew on me. I started paying more attention to the content of the comments rather than relying on point bias from the community. But it hasn't been enough time to really get used to it. (The new ranking algorithm has been increasingly irritating though.)

sammcd 17y ago
Maybe we should wait 16 more days before we start listening to dcurtis. Seriously though, I am confused why everyone calls the dot red... I felt pretty strongly that it is orange, but now that dcurtis backs it up... I don't know what to do.
- pg 17y ago
  It was red originally, then orange.
  - sammcd 17y ago
    Thanks a lot, with dcurtis calling it red, I was about to go fiddle with some color settings.
  - die_sekte 17y ago
    Out of interest: for a short while, there where comments with black dots. What did those mean?

skolor 17y ago

I'd like to jump on with everyone else who has said "a day isn't long enough." In particular, a day over the weekend, where the site traffic is way down does not show any real significance as to how it will work out in the long run. A few people have mentioned simply adding the feature as a greasemonkey script, but I would like to point out that the only way something like this works is if everyone does it, not just as an opt in. It may help that user a little bit, but it makes the problem worse over all. From my brief experience with the hidden points it looks like it will cause massive karma inflation. I know it was mentioned that a lot of people set a certain value that they thought a post was worth, and voted to try and help it attain that point. It seems (looking at my karma gain over the weekend, compared to the week before) that far more people vote that way, than were voting with points hidden. As far as point/no points, I vote to put it back. I know its rather anecdotal, but looking at my recent comments I can definitely see which ones were actually worth posting, and which were rather pointless, due to the points that I received for them. In the past, it was hit or miss. Generally, you can expect points for an early comment, no matter what it says, and the total incoming karma would be heavily related to the time of posting. With points hidden, that didn't happen. Figure out what you want to attain, and give it a chance. One day isn't nearly enough.

cema 17y ago
[skolor]I know it was mentioned that a lot of people set a certain value that they thought a post was worth, and voted to try and help it attain that point.[/skolor] Interesting! Would it perhaps be worthwhile testing a "score this post", or perhaps even "score this comment", on a fixed scale (say, -5 to 10 points)? Karma could still be calculated the old way, but a post/comment will now have two metrics associated with it, the (new) score and the (old) karma gain/loss?
- skolor 17y ago
  In the first thread it was mentioned several times that people voted for posts to give them what they felt was a good score, not as a +1/-1/0, but to give them a specific score. For example, I have a fairly reasonable idea of a 1 (http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=848274 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=848274), 5 (http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=848482 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=848482), and 10 (http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=848201 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=848201) point posts (note, these were just chosen fairly quickly off of the front page items, not trying to call anyone out for anything). Generally, I won't down vote people unless they are approaching the next group up when I don't think they deserve it, and will upvote if they are lower than I feel the post deserves. I know several other people mentioned feeling the same way, and it seems like there are far more people who felt that way and refrained from voting on most comments precisely because of that (at least if the jump in comment scores on my posts are indicative of the scoring in general).