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I was kind of enjoying it. Can we try for a week, maybe? Also, the new comment ranking algorithm seems to demote highly ranked comments a bit fast. I can't cli

by dcurtis 17y ago

I was kind of enjoying it. Can we try for a week, maybe? Also, the new comment ranking algorithm seems to demote highly ranked comments a bit fast. I can't click the comments link for an article and then read a few good comments immediately. I think there's more value in time tested, highly ranked comments than in new blind ones. Are you tweaking it at all?

unalone 17y ago
Seconded. We had this for a day. Keep it up for a week or two, let people adjust. Kneejerk reaction is always against change, even when it's for the better. I remember hating the Reddit redesign for a good month before adjusting and deciding I really liked how it worked.
- jacquesm 17y ago
  > Kneejerk reaction is always against change That's very true. I remember adding the possibility to 'enlarge' the video on ww.com simply by clicking a button and scaling the image, lots of flak from users for something they simply shouldn't click on if they don't want it. Since then I've made a point of testing the waters with a small group of people, letting them get used to it for a bit, then if they decide it's good stuff open up the feature to the rest of the people. You'll still get flak but you'll feel more convinced that you're on the right track because a number of core people have already given it the green light.
  - unalone 17y ago
    Having a test group for new features would be really cool. Or perhaps offering it as a Greasemonkey extension?
- snarkyturtle 17y ago
  Don't know about anyone else, but it was pretty refreshing for me. Being new to HN, I wasn't all that familiar with the UI, and not having scores made me focus on the comments a lot more. With the points being on the upper left corner, you can't read the comment without knowing how well it did so far with other people. It's a lot like movie reviews. It may be a good indicator, and often times they are right, but it still influences you to a degree.
  - nazgulnarsil 17y ago
    the lack of comment scores is good for the kind of person who wants to read a lot of hacker news. for the person who wants to skim it and see a couple good points mentioned about each article it made it harder.
pg 17y ago
But you were one of the users who didn't like it (http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=845254 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=845254). What changed your mind?
- anigbrowl 17y ago
  You ruined a perfectly good column in which he got to critique the idea from a design standpoint :) Seriously, I don't mind either way but I think with this sort of thing it's best to let it bed in for a week.
- dcurtis 17y ago
  My initial reaction was negative, especially without the red dot, but it grew on me. I started paying more attention to the content of the comments rather than relying on point bias from the community. But it hasn't been enough time to really get used to it. (The new ranking algorithm has been increasingly irritating though.)
  - sammcd 17y ago
    Maybe we should wait 16 more days before we start listening to dcurtis. Seriously though, I am confused why everyone calls the dot red... I felt pretty strongly that it is orange, but now that dcurtis backs it up... I don't know what to do.
    - pg 17y ago
      It was red originally, then orange.
      - sammcd 17y ago
        Thanks a lot, with dcurtis calling it red, I was about to go fiddle with some color settings.
      - die_sekte 17y ago
        Out of interest: for a short while, there where comments with black dots. What did those mean?
cema 17y ago
I support the second point (the time tested highly ranked comments).

by dcurtis 17y ago

unalone 17y ago

Seconded. We had this for a day. Keep it up for a week or two, let people adjust. Kneejerk reaction is always against change, even when it's for the better. I remember hating the Reddit redesign for a good month before adjusting and deciding I really liked how it worked.

jacquesm 17y ago
> Kneejerk reaction is always against change That's very true. I remember adding the possibility to 'enlarge' the video on ww.com simply by clicking a button and scaling the image, lots of flak from users for something they simply shouldn't click on if they don't want it. Since then I've made a point of testing the waters with a small group of people, letting them get used to it for a bit, then if they decide it's good stuff open up the feature to the rest of the people. You'll still get flak but you'll feel more convinced that you're on the right track because a number of core people have already given it the green light.
- unalone 17y ago
  Having a test group for new features would be really cool. Or perhaps offering it as a Greasemonkey extension?
snarkyturtle 17y ago
Don't know about anyone else, but it was pretty refreshing for me. Being new to HN, I wasn't all that familiar with the UI, and not having scores made me focus on the comments a lot more. With the points being on the upper left corner, you can't read the comment without knowing how well it did so far with other people. It's a lot like movie reviews. It may be a good indicator, and often times they are right, but it still influences you to a degree.
- nazgulnarsil 17y ago
  the lack of comment scores is good for the kind of person who wants to read a lot of hacker news. for the person who wants to skim it and see a couple good points mentioned about each article it made it harder.

pg 17y ago

But you were one of the users who didn't like it (http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=845254 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=845254). What changed your mind?

anigbrowl 17y ago
You ruined a perfectly good column in which he got to critique the idea from a design standpoint :) Seriously, I don't mind either way but I think with this sort of thing it's best to let it bed in for a week.
dcurtis 17y ago
My initial reaction was negative, especially without the red dot, but it grew on me. I started paying more attention to the content of the comments rather than relying on point bias from the community. But it hasn't been enough time to really get used to it. (The new ranking algorithm has been increasingly irritating though.)
- sammcd 17y ago
  Maybe we should wait 16 more days before we start listening to dcurtis. Seriously though, I am confused why everyone calls the dot red... I felt pretty strongly that it is orange, but now that dcurtis backs it up... I don't know what to do.
  - pg 17y ago
    It was red originally, then orange.
    - sammcd 17y ago
      Thanks a lot, with dcurtis calling it red, I was about to go fiddle with some color settings.
    - die_sekte 17y ago
      Out of interest: for a short while, there where comments with black dots. What did those mean?

cema 17y ago

I support the second point (the time tested highly ranked comments).