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Well, that cost estimate is about $4k over even if it were the only data transfer happening -- raw cost for first 120TB would be about $11k. The cost for an ex

Well, that cost estimate is about $4k over even if it were the only data transfer happening -- raw cost for first 120TB would be about $11k. The cost for an export would be 1/10th that, and would be covered by others, if only Noah Everett were cooperating.

res0nat0r 12y ago
Maybe he's busy with other pressing matters...like all of the aspects involved with his business shutting down and how that affects him and his employees?
- jamesbrownuhh 12y ago
  Perhaps if he had chosen to shutter his business in a more orderly fashion, and made arrangements to take care of the significant quantity of visual contemporary history of which that business was the defacto caretaker, it would be easier to forgive being "busy". We're talking about 800 MILLION pictures here. Noah is apparently too busy to save them, but not so busy that he can't find the time to actively prevent others from saving them. That's pretty hard to support.
  - res0nat0r 12y ago
    Entitlement really doesn't seem to be the best way to think about it. They don't owe you or anyone any type of end result, and like most topics I see discussed here when I've been involved with a couple of them behind the scenes: there is a lot more going on than you think, and issues are not simply black or white.
    - eropple 12y ago
      When you set up a public service, you do have a moral obligation not to abuse your users, as well as not to abuse the public good. There's an implicit contract with your users to do right by them, especially with a service that has, no joke, a ton of legitimate, important historical record to it. When you abuse the public trust, you get flak for it. That's a feature, not a bug.
    - ObviousScience 12y ago
      Yes, things that explain why they refuse to allow people to pay for the archive in a sensible way, and seem to be intending to just destroy people's data instead in what can only be described as ostensibly spite or apathy to their users. No wonder they failed at business if this is how they act during hard times.
- nknighthb 12y ago
  Yes, maybe he doesn't care about preserving user data. That's kind of the point... I have serious doubts that here have been any actual Twitpic employees for a while. If there were, that seems unwise of both them and Everett. Twitter announced the doom of third-party photo sites in late 2010. Twitpic basically went silent a couple years ago. Meanwhile, Everett says he's been working on Pingly for over a year[0]. Note the timing of that article -- not even a month before the announcement of Twitpic shutting down. No matter how much he wants to try to make this about a trademark dispute, it's clearly not some sudden collapse. By all appearances, he's moved on to other things and has finally realized it's time to shut down an old project that's been on a long and probably inevitable downward spiral. This is understandable, failing to preserve data is not. [0] http://www.postandcourier.com/article/20140810/PC0313/140819922 http://www.postandcourier.com/article/20140810/PC0313/140819...
  - res0nat0r 12y ago
    Failure to preserve data isn't some inherent right just because you deem it to be an important issue to you unfortunately.
    - nknighthb 12y ago
      Nobody here is talking about a "right". Criticizing bad choices and poor business practices has nothing to do with any "right" except free expression.
      - j4kp07 12y ago
        "When you set up a public service, you do have a moral obligation..." - eropple
        nknighthb 12y ago
        Morality is orthogonal to rights. One has a right to do many immoral things. I note, by the way, that the arguments have degenerated from reasoned to "but rights!!!". You're going to have to do better than that.

res0nat0r 12y ago

Maybe he's busy with other pressing matters...like all of the aspects involved with his business shutting down and how that affects him and his employees?

jamesbrownuhh 12y ago
Perhaps if he had chosen to shutter his business in a more orderly fashion, and made arrangements to take care of the significant quantity of visual contemporary history of which that business was the defacto caretaker, it would be easier to forgive being "busy". We're talking about 800 MILLION pictures here. Noah is apparently too busy to save them, but not so busy that he can't find the time to actively prevent others from saving them. That's pretty hard to support.
- res0nat0r 12y ago
  Entitlement really doesn't seem to be the best way to think about it. They don't owe you or anyone any type of end result, and like most topics I see discussed here when I've been involved with a couple of them behind the scenes: there is a lot more going on than you think, and issues are not simply black or white.
  - eropple 12y ago
    When you set up a public service, you do have a moral obligation not to abuse your users, as well as not to abuse the public good. There's an implicit contract with your users to do right by them, especially with a service that has, no joke, a ton of legitimate, important historical record to it. When you abuse the public trust, you get flak for it. That's a feature, not a bug.
  - ObviousScience 12y ago
    Yes, things that explain why they refuse to allow people to pay for the archive in a sensible way, and seem to be intending to just destroy people's data instead in what can only be described as ostensibly spite or apathy to their users. No wonder they failed at business if this is how they act during hard times.
nknighthb 12y ago
Yes, maybe he doesn't care about preserving user data. That's kind of the point... I have serious doubts that here have been any actual Twitpic employees for a while. If there were, that seems unwise of both them and Everett. Twitter announced the doom of third-party photo sites in late 2010. Twitpic basically went silent a couple years ago. Meanwhile, Everett says he's been working on Pingly for over a year[0]. Note the timing of that article -- not even a month before the announcement of Twitpic shutting down. No matter how much he wants to try to make this about a trademark dispute, it's clearly not some sudden collapse. By all appearances, he's moved on to other things and has finally realized it's time to shut down an old project that's been on a long and probably inevitable downward spiral. This is understandable, failing to preserve data is not. [0] http://www.postandcourier.com/article/20140810/PC0313/140819922 http://www.postandcourier.com/article/20140810/PC0313/140819...
- res0nat0r 12y ago
  Failure to preserve data isn't some inherent right just because you deem it to be an important issue to you unfortunately.
  - nknighthb 12y ago
    Nobody here is talking about a "right". Criticizing bad choices and poor business practices has nothing to do with any "right" except free expression.
    - j4kp07 12y ago
      "When you set up a public service, you do have a moral obligation..." - eropple
      - nknighthb 12y ago
        Morality is orthogonal to rights. One has a right to do many immoral things. I note, by the way, that the arguments have degenerated from reasoned to "but rights!!!". You're going to have to do better than that.