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In fairness, the archive team is attempting to download 120TB of data.. which is going to cost Twitpic about $15K in outgoing data charges from Amazon. Maybe t

In fairness, the archive team is attempting to download 120TB of data.. which is going to cost Twitpic about $15K in outgoing data charges from Amazon. Maybe they just don't have $15K to pay for this. (and that's not counting all of the users who are also downloading their data)

tedivm 12y ago
I have absolutely no doubt that people would be willing to donate to cover the archival costs, especially if that donation was overseen by the archive team. Options like this can only be explored if there is a conversation.
- k-mcgrady 12y ago
  Yes but you have that conversation before you start archiving. If I started racking up $1000's of dollars in server fees while going bust I'd shut off the archive team too. Ask and offer to pay first.
  - nknighthb 12y ago
    They did.
    - k-mcgrady 12y ago
      Source?
      - nknighthb 12y ago
        Oh good grief, really? Every thread, including this one, has been full of links. Here's one I have at my fingertips: https://twitter.com/textfiles/status/507595291634040832 https://twitter.com/textfiles/status/507595291634040832 People have been trying to talk to him since the day the announcement was made.
nknighthb 12y ago
Well, that cost estimate is about $4k over even if it were the only data transfer happening -- raw cost for first 120TB would be about $11k. The cost for an export would be 1/10th that, and would be covered by others, if only Noah Everett were cooperating.
- res0nat0r 12y ago
  Maybe he's busy with other pressing matters...like all of the aspects involved with his business shutting down and how that affects him and his employees?
  - jamesbrownuhh 12y ago
    Perhaps if he had chosen to shutter his business in a more orderly fashion, and made arrangements to take care of the significant quantity of visual contemporary history of which that business was the defacto caretaker, it would be easier to forgive being "busy". We're talking about 800 MILLION pictures here. Noah is apparently too busy to save them, but not so busy that he can't find the time to actively prevent others from saving them. That's pretty hard to support.
    - res0nat0r 12y ago
      Entitlement really doesn't seem to be the best way to think about it. They don't owe you or anyone any type of end result, and like most topics I see discussed here when I've been involved with a couple of them behind the scenes: there is a lot more going on than you think, and issues are not simply black or white.
      - eropple 12y ago
        When you set up a public service, you do have a moral obligation not to abuse your users, as well as not to abuse the public good. There's an implicit contract with your users to do right by them, especially with a service that has, no joke, a ton of legitimate, important historical record to it. When you abuse the public trust, you get flak for it. That's a feature, not a bug.
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iamben 12y ago
So cheaper just to post them 120tb worth of hard disks?

tedivm 12y ago

I have absolutely no doubt that people would be willing to donate to cover the archival costs, especially if that donation was overseen by the archive team. Options like this can only be explored if there is a conversation.

k-mcgrady 12y ago
Yes but you have that conversation before you start archiving. If I started racking up $1000's of dollars in server fees while going bust I'd shut off the archive team too. Ask and offer to pay first.
- nknighthb 12y ago
  They did.
  - k-mcgrady 12y ago
    Source?
    - nknighthb 12y ago
      Oh good grief, really? Every thread, including this one, has been full of links. Here's one I have at my fingertips: https://twitter.com/textfiles/status/507595291634040832 https://twitter.com/textfiles/status/507595291634040832 People have been trying to talk to him since the day the announcement was made.

nknighthb 12y ago

Well, that cost estimate is about $4k over even if it were the only data transfer happening -- raw cost for first 120TB would be about $11k. The cost for an export would be 1/10th that, and would be covered by others, if only Noah Everett were cooperating.

res0nat0r 12y ago
Maybe he's busy with other pressing matters...like all of the aspects involved with his business shutting down and how that affects him and his employees?
- jamesbrownuhh 12y ago
  Perhaps if he had chosen to shutter his business in a more orderly fashion, and made arrangements to take care of the significant quantity of visual contemporary history of which that business was the defacto caretaker, it would be easier to forgive being "busy". We're talking about 800 MILLION pictures here. Noah is apparently too busy to save them, but not so busy that he can't find the time to actively prevent others from saving them. That's pretty hard to support.
  - res0nat0r 12y ago
    Entitlement really doesn't seem to be the best way to think about it. They don't owe you or anyone any type of end result, and like most topics I see discussed here when I've been involved with a couple of them behind the scenes: there is a lot more going on than you think, and issues are not simply black or white.
    - eropple 12y ago
      When you set up a public service, you do have a moral obligation not to abuse your users, as well as not to abuse the public good. There's an implicit contract with your users to do right by them, especially with a service that has, no joke, a ton of legitimate, important historical record to it. When you abuse the public trust, you get flak for it. That's a feature, not a bug.

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iamben 12y ago

So cheaper just to post them 120tb worth of hard disks?