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I've been planning on registering my sublime for some time. Gonna do it now. I just did a trial of WebStorm and realized my Sublime setup is still the superio

by DevX101 12y ago

I've been planning on registering my sublime for some time. Gonna do it now. I just did a trial of WebStorm and realized my Sublime setup is still the superior editor (with the right plugins: VIM, git, git gutter, Origami, HTMLPrettify). I've evaluated it for the past 6 months but looks like they finally convinced me to fork over the cash. If you've been evaluating for more than a few months and you're not a student, pay up!

Lambdanaut 12y ago
I know this might not be kosher, but I have to ask, why? I'm all for supporting the artist, but is that the only reason? Edit: I expected the downvote, but honestly believe that a discussion on this could be valuable. If you're going to downvote me, in return please tell me why you think this question shouldn't be asked.
- Silhouette 12y ago
  You're asking why you should pay for software that is offered for free as a trial? Because otherwise you're breaking the law, not to mention screwing whoever put in the hard work to create something you obviously find valuable.
  - Lambdanaut 12y ago
    Yes, I'm asking that. The unbelieving condescension is unnecessary. You're breaking the law? No, you're not. On the download page it explicitly says "There is currently no enforced time limit for the evaluation." Screwing them over? Ridiculous. They've explicitly given me permission to not pay them! I'd be doing them a favor if I paid them. I would be showing them a lot of respect. That is a good thing, but it is not inherently bad to accept their charity and use the software freely. As far as I can tell, it's a clever business strategy for disseminating free software, with the hope that people will purchase it out of respect for the art. It's a clever business move because it gets the software out there in mass so that it becomes popular. They shouldn't expect everyone to buy the software when they explicitly say they don't define a time limit in which one has to pay. I would bet that they even don't expect this.
    - Voloskaya 12y ago
      When I get nice service at a restaurant i leave more than the default 15% tips, to actually encourage good service. So when i find a really nice piece of software that actually saved me a lot of money (by increasing productivity and reducing licensing cost of other dev tools), i don't mind paying them a 70$ one time fee. Because in the end, they are not going to pay their employees with your respect. So, you have all the right not to pay them, you also have the right to leave shitty tips all the time and to not go voting. But i think i don't need to explain what will happen if we all act like that.
    - probablyfiction 12y ago
      *en masse
    - squeaky-clean 12y ago
      >Sublime Text may be downloaded and evaluated for free, however a license must be purchased for continued use. It's free to evaluate for as long as you'd like. Once you start seriously using it, and making money with it, you need to buy it.
    - Silhouette 12y ago
      You're breaking the law? No, you're not. On the download page it explicitly says "There is currently no enforced time limit for the evaluation." The key words there are "for the evaluation". As soon as you're using the product for real, you are required to pay for it. Screwing them over? Ridiculous. They've explicitly given me permission to not pay them! No, they have given you permission not to pay them while you evaluate the product. After that, you are explicitly required to pay them if you want to use it for real work.
- rdebeasi 12y ago
  Sublime Text isn't free; it's sold on the honor system: "Sublime Text may be downloaded and evaluated for free, however a license must be purchased for continued use." The developer could try to enforce this rule by building in DRM or by threatening legal action, but those things would make for a pretty crappy user experience. Instead, the author chose to do the right thing by users and provide an evaluation version with no restrictions. Legally and technically, you can certainly use Sublime Text without paying for it. To me, though, using Sublime Text for your everyday work without paying for it is the ethical equivalent of using a cracked version of Photoshop.
  - Lambdanaut 12y ago
    Are you sure it's the honor system? It seems to me more like a clever move to disseminate the software so that people are more likely to pay, particularly since he explicitly defines "continued use" as being whatever timeframe the user wants. Adobe's Photoshop license doesn't do anything like this. If you crack it, you're breaking the rules. I think it's a gray area, but it's undeniably true that paying for a license is a respectful thing to do at the very least.
    - jacalata 12y ago
      Well, there's no enforcement aside from your own conscience (or peer pressure, if that applies to you) so yes, it's an honor system. That doesn't stop it from also being a marketing move.
  - JeremyMorgan 12y ago
    Yeah, I think the system likely works well. It didn't take me very long while using it until I decided I should support the developer, if anything to keep it alive.
- jafingi 12y ago
  I have paid for my Sublime Text license. I use it everyday for work, and seriously... The $70 is less than my hourly pay, so I really want to give that to the developer, who spends hours on it, for me to earn my money every week. Sure you can use it for free, but if you use it everyday and earn money on the code you make using it, it would be a fine gesture to support the developer.
Walkman 12y ago
Wow, I just tried Origami, and it provides exactly the only feature from Sublime Text I was missing, thank you so much!! Now, I definitely never going back to an IDE, makes no sense any more.
willemmerson 12y ago
What does it do that WebStorm doesn't? I tried to go from Intellij to Sublime but found so many things were missing, even after installing a pile of plugins.
Lrigikithumer 12y ago
I know this is probably a common question but are there any student discounts for sublime text? I write nearly all my code in it and I love the editor and want to give back but $70 is way way out of my price range, especially for a text editor.
- coldtea 12y ago
  I paid once over 3 years ago for ST2. I'll have to fork again when ST 3 stable comes out, but the last 1.5+ as a paid ST2 user I was entitled to the ST3-dev betas (rock solid for me on Mac for JS, PHP, Go, Python dev with several plugins). 3 years of editor use for $70 (or somewhat less at the time) is not that much...
  - Lrigikithumer 12y ago
    Yeah I really don't have that kind of money to pull out of my budget currently, one day I'll definitely pay for it but I really don't have the money right now.
    - coldtea 12y ago
      I think you can use the ST3 betas for free, until ST3 is released.

by DevX101 12y ago

Lambdanaut 12y ago

I know this might not be kosher, but I have to ask, why? I'm all for supporting the artist, but is that the only reason? Edit: I expected the downvote, but honestly believe that a discussion on this could be valuable. If you're going to downvote me, in return please tell me why you think this question shouldn't be asked.

Silhouette 12y ago
You're asking why you should pay for software that is offered for free as a trial? Because otherwise you're breaking the law, not to mention screwing whoever put in the hard work to create something you obviously find valuable.
- Lambdanaut 12y ago
  Yes, I'm asking that. The unbelieving condescension is unnecessary. You're breaking the law? No, you're not. On the download page it explicitly says "There is currently no enforced time limit for the evaluation." Screwing them over? Ridiculous. They've explicitly given me permission to not pay them! I'd be doing them a favor if I paid them. I would be showing them a lot of respect. That is a good thing, but it is not inherently bad to accept their charity and use the software freely. As far as I can tell, it's a clever business strategy for disseminating free software, with the hope that people will purchase it out of respect for the art. It's a clever business move because it gets the software out there in mass so that it becomes popular. They shouldn't expect everyone to buy the software when they explicitly say they don't define a time limit in which one has to pay. I would bet that they even don't expect this.
  - Voloskaya 12y ago
    When I get nice service at a restaurant i leave more than the default 15% tips, to actually encourage good service. So when i find a really nice piece of software that actually saved me a lot of money (by increasing productivity and reducing licensing cost of other dev tools), i don't mind paying them a 70$ one time fee. Because in the end, they are not going to pay their employees with your respect. So, you have all the right not to pay them, you also have the right to leave shitty tips all the time and to not go voting. But i think i don't need to explain what will happen if we all act like that.
  - probablyfiction 12y ago
    *en masse
  - squeaky-clean 12y ago
    >Sublime Text may be downloaded and evaluated for free, however a license must be purchased for continued use. It's free to evaluate for as long as you'd like. Once you start seriously using it, and making money with it, you need to buy it.
  - Silhouette 12y ago
    You're breaking the law? No, you're not. On the download page it explicitly says "There is currently no enforced time limit for the evaluation." The key words there are "for the evaluation". As soon as you're using the product for real, you are required to pay for it. Screwing them over? Ridiculous. They've explicitly given me permission to not pay them! No, they have given you permission not to pay them while you evaluate the product. After that, you are explicitly required to pay them if you want to use it for real work.
rdebeasi 12y ago
Sublime Text isn't free; it's sold on the honor system: "Sublime Text may be downloaded and evaluated for free, however a license must be purchased for continued use." The developer could try to enforce this rule by building in DRM or by threatening legal action, but those things would make for a pretty crappy user experience. Instead, the author chose to do the right thing by users and provide an evaluation version with no restrictions. Legally and technically, you can certainly use Sublime Text without paying for it. To me, though, using Sublime Text for your everyday work without paying for it is the ethical equivalent of using a cracked version of Photoshop.
- Lambdanaut 12y ago
  Are you sure it's the honor system? It seems to me more like a clever move to disseminate the software so that people are more likely to pay, particularly since he explicitly defines "continued use" as being whatever timeframe the user wants. Adobe's Photoshop license doesn't do anything like this. If you crack it, you're breaking the rules. I think it's a gray area, but it's undeniably true that paying for a license is a respectful thing to do at the very least.
  - jacalata 12y ago
    Well, there's no enforcement aside from your own conscience (or peer pressure, if that applies to you) so yes, it's an honor system. That doesn't stop it from also being a marketing move.
- JeremyMorgan 12y ago
  Yeah, I think the system likely works well. It didn't take me very long while using it until I decided I should support the developer, if anything to keep it alive.
jafingi 12y ago
I have paid for my Sublime Text license. I use it everyday for work, and seriously... The $70 is less than my hourly pay, so I really want to give that to the developer, who spends hours on it, for me to earn my money every week. Sure you can use it for free, but if you use it everyday and earn money on the code you make using it, it would be a fine gesture to support the developer.

Walkman 12y ago

Wow, I just tried Origami, and it provides exactly the only feature from Sublime Text I was missing, thank you so much!! Now, I definitely never going back to an IDE, makes no sense any more.

willemmerson 12y ago

What does it do that WebStorm doesn't? I tried to go from Intellij to Sublime but found so many things were missing, even after installing a pile of plugins.

Lrigikithumer 12y ago

I know this is probably a common question but are there any student discounts for sublime text? I write nearly all my code in it and I love the editor and want to give back but $70 is way way out of my price range, especially for a text editor.

coldtea 12y ago
I paid once over 3 years ago for ST2. I'll have to fork again when ST 3 stable comes out, but the last 1.5+ as a paid ST2 user I was entitled to the ST3-dev betas (rock solid for me on Mac for JS, PHP, Go, Python dev with several plugins). 3 years of editor use for $70 (or somewhat less at the time) is not that much...
- Lrigikithumer 12y ago
  Yeah I really don't have that kind of money to pull out of my budget currently, one day I'll definitely pay for it but I really don't have the money right now.
  - coldtea 12y ago
    I think you can use the ST3 betas for free, until ST3 is released.