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wait ... pasta is fattening? I eat pasta ALL THE TIME and I am far from "fat"

by plg 12y ago

lingben 12y ago
it is the effect of carbs: carbs->sugar->insulin-> fat insulin is a powerful hormone which, among other things, sends a message to the body to store more fat instead of burning it a sample size of 1 is hardly significant but you could be far from fat because of a number of reasons: you are young and/or have a high metabolism, you are active, your genes, you eat other foods which counter the carbs in pasta (fats and fiber), etc. there are a lot of variables the ideal diet is one where your blood sugar is more or less constant throughout the day the worst diet is one where your blood sugar spikes, forcing your pancreas to release insulin again and again
- XzetaU8 12y ago
  Myth #1 http://examine.com/blog/10-awful-myths-perpetuated-by-the-media/ http://examine.com/blog/10-awful-myths-perpetuated-by-the-me...
  - monitron 12y ago
    The entry on the carbohydrate myth doesn't actually address insulin resistance but instead veers off on a tangent about gluten. It also cites no references. Can you provide a better source?
    - aaxe 12y ago
      The site is full of references. Try clicking around. And insulin resistance is an issue if you're overweight. For a normal person it's a non-issue.
      - monitron 12y ago
        I did click around, a lot. There are indeed many references, especially on the supplements pages, but I couldn't find any external links about carbohydrates and insulin. And, regarding "for a normal person it's a non-issue" – How do you think those overweight people got overweight? I was once at a healthy weight, but my terrible diet got me where I am today. If I'd eaten differently, I wouldn't be in this mess to begin with.
      - wnevets 12y ago
        the site is full of references? How about the page and "Myth" in question?
      - autism_hurts 12y ago
        That's not true at all in my experience.
      - dragonwriter 12y ago
        > And insulin resistance is an issue if you're overweight. For a normal person it's a non-issue. 68.5% of the US adult population is overweight [1], so even if it was only a problem for overweight people, in the US at least, overweight is normal. ("Normal" and "ideal" aren't the same thing.) [1] Ogden C. L., Carroll, M. D., Kit, B.K., & Flegal K. M. (2014). Prevalence of childhood and adult obesity in the United States, 2011-2012. Journal of the American Medical Association, 311(8), 806-814.
monitron 12y ago
It's a simple carbohydrate. So, depending on who you ask, it causes blood sugar spikes leading to insulin resistance, leaves you hungry again a few hours later, is addictive, and causes other maladies. Along with white bread, sugary drinks, cereals, etc., etc. There are a lot of reasons one might not get fat, so a thin person who eats pasta is not surprising. But a fat person with a pasta addiction (like me) has a good idea where to start changing his diet.
- viewer5 12y ago
  Is non-white bread different?
  - monitron 12y ago
    Maybe, because it contains more fiber and less carbohydrate for the same amount of bread. Google gives a nice infobox on the subject for the query "white bread vs wheat bread".
  - lingben 12y ago
    I used to eat a lot of whole wheat bread until I discovered that its glycemic index is not that different and even more shocking, that it acts like a 'sponge' soaking up and removing many other useful vitamins, minerals and micro-nutrients from the gut
- DanBC 12y ago
  A minor correction: it's a complex carbohydrate.
autism_hurts 12y ago
What's your body fat percentage?
penguindev 12y ago
That's how I was until I hit my 30's. Insulin problems take a while to develop. I've been on low carb, no wheat for 2 years now. It's been a miracle, really...
- monitron 12y ago
  I might have to do this. I'm interested in your experience...If I may ask, how did you deal with cravings and any social implications? What's the outcome been, and did you change anything else?
  - penguindev 12y ago
    as far as cravings - that's a bit strong of a word but here are some things I missed and was glad when I found a substitute: * there's a really good pizza recipe that is just cheese for the crust. amazing. Its better than regular pizza, really. * lasagna/spaghetti you can use zuchini or spaghetti squash as noodles, and can eat in a bowl (just a tad more soupy), still tastes great (again, I love italian) * I went through a phase where I ate cheese crisps (microwaved cheese, super yummy like crackers) and made flaxseed wraps (like bread). I don't make either any more, just pointless work. * Pork rinds are amazing - good with soup, like a cracker, like croutons for a salad, with guacamole, nachos, hummus, or peanut butter. (note that the last two are easy for me to indulge on, I just have to watch) * I Make 24 eggs at a time as a fritatta, make a pork shoulder in the oven, braised chicken thighs, oven roasted whole chicken, big batches that have many servings. * I used to eat cereal every day, I but got over that quickly enough - now it's just 2 eggs each morning (slice of fritatta). * I like hamburgers, but usually just eat them plain with a few pickles on top. less messy, and frankly you taste the meat more. * I gave up beer completely, which I used to drink with pizza. Now its just red wine once in a while. I don't go out to restaurants much because frankly we have better food at home and admittedly they're not usually low carb oriented. But you can always get a burger without the bun. Or a gyro plate. Mexican fajitas (hold the tortillas and chips) are a winner too. I started off reading the wheat belly blog, and after I lost 10 pounds I bought his book. I also recommend "The art and science of low carb living". There's also great vids on youtube of atkins & LCHF stuff. I also read william banting's old pamphlet for inspiration.

wait ... pasta is fattening? I eat pasta ALL THE TIME and I am far from "fat"

by plg 12y ago

wait ... pasta is fattening? I eat pasta ALL THE TIME and I am far from "fat"

it is the effect of carbs: carbs->sugar->insulin-> fat insulin is a powerful hormone which, among other things, sends a message to the body to store more fat instead of burning it a sample size of 1 is hardly significant but you could be far from fat because of a number of reasons: you are young and/or have a high metabolism, you are active, your genes, you eat other foods which counter the carbs in pasta (fats and fiber), etc. there are a lot of variables the ideal diet is one where your blood sugar is more or less constant throughout the day the worst diet is one where your blood sugar spikes, forcing your pancreas to release insulin again and again

XzetaU8 12y ago
Myth #1 http://examine.com/blog/10-awful-myths-perpetuated-by-the-media/ http://examine.com/blog/10-awful-myths-perpetuated-by-the-me...
- monitron 12y ago
  The entry on the carbohydrate myth doesn't actually address insulin resistance but instead veers off on a tangent about gluten. It also cites no references. Can you provide a better source?
  - aaxe 12y ago
    The site is full of references. Try clicking around. And insulin resistance is an issue if you're overweight. For a normal person it's a non-issue.
    - monitron 12y ago
      I did click around, a lot. There are indeed many references, especially on the supplements pages, but I couldn't find any external links about carbohydrates and insulin. And, regarding "for a normal person it's a non-issue" – How do you think those overweight people got overweight? I was once at a healthy weight, but my terrible diet got me where I am today. If I'd eaten differently, I wouldn't be in this mess to begin with.
    - wnevets 12y ago
      the site is full of references? How about the page and "Myth" in question?
    - autism_hurts 12y ago
      That's not true at all in my experience.
    - dragonwriter 12y ago
      > And insulin resistance is an issue if you're overweight. For a normal person it's a non-issue. 68.5% of the US adult population is overweight [1], so even if it was only a problem for overweight people, in the US at least, overweight is normal. ("Normal" and "ideal" aren't the same thing.) [1] Ogden C. L., Carroll, M. D., Kit, B.K., & Flegal K. M. (2014). Prevalence of childhood and adult obesity in the United States, 2011-2012. Journal of the American Medical Association, 311(8), 806-814.

monitron 12y ago

It's a simple carbohydrate. So, depending on who you ask, it causes blood sugar spikes leading to insulin resistance, leaves you hungry again a few hours later, is addictive, and causes other maladies. Along with white bread, sugary drinks, cereals, etc., etc. There are a lot of reasons one might not get fat, so a thin person who eats pasta is not surprising. But a fat person with a pasta addiction (like me) has a good idea where to start changing his diet.

viewer5 12y ago
Is non-white bread different?
- monitron 12y ago
  Maybe, because it contains more fiber and less carbohydrate for the same amount of bread. Google gives a nice infobox on the subject for the query "white bread vs wheat bread".
- lingben 12y ago
  I used to eat a lot of whole wheat bread until I discovered that its glycemic index is not that different and even more shocking, that it acts like a 'sponge' soaking up and removing many other useful vitamins, minerals and micro-nutrients from the gut
DanBC 12y ago
A minor correction: it's a complex carbohydrate.

autism_hurts 12y ago

What's your body fat percentage?

penguindev 12y ago

That's how I was until I hit my 30's. Insulin problems take a while to develop. I've been on low carb, no wheat for 2 years now. It's been a miracle, really...

monitron 12y ago
I might have to do this. I'm interested in your experience...If I may ask, how did you deal with cravings and any social implications? What's the outcome been, and did you change anything else?
- penguindev 12y ago
  as far as cravings - that's a bit strong of a word but here are some things I missed and was glad when I found a substitute: * there's a really good pizza recipe that is just cheese for the crust. amazing. Its better than regular pizza, really. * lasagna/spaghetti you can use zuchini or spaghetti squash as noodles, and can eat in a bowl (just a tad more soupy), still tastes great (again, I love italian) * I went through a phase where I ate cheese crisps (microwaved cheese, super yummy like crackers) and made flaxseed wraps (like bread). I don't make either any more, just pointless work. * Pork rinds are amazing - good with soup, like a cracker, like croutons for a salad, with guacamole, nachos, hummus, or peanut butter. (note that the last two are easy for me to indulge on, I just have to watch) * I Make 24 eggs at a time as a fritatta, make a pork shoulder in the oven, braised chicken thighs, oven roasted whole chicken, big batches that have many servings. * I used to eat cereal every day, I but got over that quickly enough - now it's just 2 eggs each morning (slice of fritatta). * I like hamburgers, but usually just eat them plain with a few pickles on top. less messy, and frankly you taste the meat more. * I gave up beer completely, which I used to drink with pizza. Now its just red wine once in a while. I don't go out to restaurants much because frankly we have better food at home and admittedly they're not usually low carb oriented. But you can always get a burger without the bun. Or a gyro plate. Mexican fajitas (hold the tortillas and chips) are a winner too. I started off reading the wheat belly blog, and after I lost 10 pounds I bought his book. I also recommend "The art and science of low carb living". There's also great vids on youtube of atkins & LCHF stuff. I also read william banting's old pamphlet for inspiration.