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Sorry, but all your reasons are no bugs or technical problems. Frankly, it seems to me that this is your inability to accept change. Yes, sometimes we need to

by buster 12y ago

Sorry, but all your reasons are no bugs or technical problems. Frankly, it seems to me that this is your inability to accept change. Yes, sometimes we need to embrace new things and learn new things. That doesn't mean they are bad. And sorry, but i don't see how 99,9999% of Debian users should stay on sysv init just because you might or might not use Debian/kFreeBSD at some point in the future (instead of FreeBSD in the first place). If i remember correctly kFreeBSD even is in such a bad unmaintained state the the discontinuation of it is discussed. Yet, you bring it up as an argument against systemd. (FYI: As of February 2014, popcon registered 130 kFreeBSD, compared to 32 HURD users, and 165,821 Linux users. ) P.S.: I reboot my laptop everyday, i don't suspend.

ultramancool 12y ago
> Frankly, it seems to me that this is your inability to accept change. I'm more than willing to accept change if that change is at all beneficial. Systemd simply fails to offer any beneficial changes to me and several harmful ones. You're right, they're not so much technical issues or bugs as usability and system philosophy issues. But issues which should not be simply dismissed nonetheless. So, please, tell me, why should I accept change just for the sake of change? Especially when those changes seem to be against the philosophy of a simple, easy to understand system. EDIT: thought I should note this too > And sorry, but i don't see how 99,9999% of Debian users should stay on sysv init I'm not suggesting that they do. By all means, change the default if most users desire it. This post is simply about allowing for flexibility of init system. I don't see why you have such a problem with that.
vezzy-fnord 12y ago
If i remember correctly kFreeBSD even is in such a bad unmaintained state the the discontinuation of it is discussed. Yet, you bring it up as an argument against systemd. It's not, that was a lie. You're free to join #debian-kbsd on OFTC to see that development is ongoing and active, and that there's more than just one maintainer. They've switched to the 10.1 kernel and they frequently commit to Git.
DanBC 12y ago
> And sorry, but i don't see how 99,9999% of Debian users should stay on sysv init No one is asking anyone to stay on a particular init system. They are asking for choice, and systemd has some "features" that restrict choice.

by buster 12y ago

ultramancool 12y ago

> Frankly, it seems to me that this is your inability to accept change. I'm more than willing to accept change if that change is at all beneficial. Systemd simply fails to offer any beneficial changes to me and several harmful ones. You're right, they're not so much technical issues or bugs as usability and system philosophy issues. But issues which should not be simply dismissed nonetheless. So, please, tell me, why should I accept change just for the sake of change? Especially when those changes seem to be against the philosophy of a simple, easy to understand system. EDIT: thought I should note this too > And sorry, but i don't see how 99,9999% of Debian users should stay on sysv init I'm not suggesting that they do. By all means, change the default if most users desire it. This post is simply about allowing for flexibility of init system. I don't see why you have such a problem with that.

vezzy-fnord 12y ago

If i remember correctly kFreeBSD even is in such a bad unmaintained state the the discontinuation of it is discussed. Yet, you bring it up as an argument against systemd. It's not, that was a lie. You're free to join #debian-kbsd on OFTC to see that development is ongoing and active, and that there's more than just one maintainer. They've switched to the 10.1 kernel and they frequently commit to Git.

DanBC 12y ago

> And sorry, but i don't see how 99,9999% of Debian users should stay on sysv init No one is asking anyone to stay on a particular init system. They are asking for choice, and systemd has some "features" that restrict choice.