2 ms·
bayesianhorse said it better than I can: 'There is a well documented effect in that the teacher's expectations are reflected both in subjective grades and
by junto 12y ago
bayesianhorse said it better than I can:
'There is a well documented effect in that the teacher's
expectations are reflected both in subjective grades and
objective performance.'
Nobody needs to be "smacked". Teachers have observer bias and negative expectations. Turkish boys don't like women telling them what to do. Both need to alter their attitudes.
- peterfirefly 12y agoThere you go again with "both". Turkish boys have a greater tendency to misbehave than German boys (and Danish boys, Swedish boys, etc). We seem to agree that those Turkish boys (and their parents) ought to change their attitudes. And everybody else around them also needs them to change their attitudes. So who is the other party who needs to change? Edit: inserted the word 'also' + emphasized to word 'needs' for clarity.
- bayesianhorse 12y agoMuch of these difference can be explained by socioeconomic status. Germans from equally poor backgrounds don't behave any better. They may not speak heavy dialect when they disrespect a female teacher, but otherwise it's much the same. And when you are from a muslim background and you want to disrespect your teacher, you'll choose other words and justifications than a German would. I'd caution against overinterpreting juvenile power plays in terms of religious biases though.
- collyw 12y agoI was thinking the same. We don have a lot of racism where I come from, despite having a fairly large Indian population. We do have a lot of problems with people at the lower end of the socioeconomic scale.