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Much like criticisms of the Catholic healthcare system for choices involved with starting and ending lives, I'd imagine the Mormons think "I can't help but noti

by patio11 12y ago

Much like criticisms of the Catholic healthcare system for choices involved with starting and ending lives, I'd imagine the Mormons think "I can't help but noticing that we had to put in a hundred years of work before we had something impressive enough to justify your criticism, but if you want to replicate it to nose tweak us, I suppose that's going to be an educational experience all around."

ggreer 12y ago
At some point, a set of beliefs is so harmful that it would be borderline-unethical not to criticize them. Would you have made a similar comment if the Church of Latter-day Saints refused to recognize mixed-race marriages? In case you didn't know, such racism was LDS dogma until 1978. This project is impressive in its comprehensiveness, and I'm glad an organization has undertaken it. Still, the discriminatory, homophobic dogmas of the LDS church cannot be ignored, and criticism of these beliefs should not be discouraged. Only through discourse can they be challenged and obsoleted. The sooner that happens, the better.
- elpachuco 12y ago
  >>such racism was LDS dogma until 1978 Good to know. More proof all religions are crap.
  - davidw 12y ago
    Given: * patio11 is, afaik, a practicing Catholic. * patio11 contributes a great deal to this site. * He probably has a thick skin about it, but comments like that are probably not something he likes or will encourage him to use a site. My conclusion is that anything that takes us that far off topic should be flagged because it may have a negative impact on the value I get from the site. I came here to talk about startups and hacking, not religion or politics.
    - chroma 12y ago
      If patio11 was a Scientologist, would you say the same thing? We all draw a line somewhere. If you would react to Scientology differently, remember that the Catholic church has caused (and is causing) much more harm than the Church of Scientology. The former has burned people at the stake, conspired with the Nazis, helped spread AIDS, and covered up child rape. Note: I respect patio11 immensely and wish him nothing but happiness. I simply want to ensure your views are consistent. Edit: Can you answer my question more explicitly? Your response comes across as a tentative "yes" but I'm not certain.
      - davidw 12y ago
        I don't want to talk with patio11 or you or elpachuco or anyone else about their politics or religion - at least not on this site. That's where I draw the line. I want to talk with you about hacking and startups. I'd be happy to talk politics all you want if you drop by Padova and we go out for a drink. Not here though!
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  - mga226 12y ago
    > More proof all religions are crap. I don't see how that follows. - An atheist.
thret 12y ago
I just think a comprehensive genealogy is important enough that it should be managed without bias or discrimination. I wouldn't criticise the Catholic healthcare system, it has helped too many people for that.
- dragonwriter 12y ago
  > I wouldn't criticise the Catholic healthcare system, it has helped too many people for that. The idea that doing good makes you immune to criticism for doing bad is particularly pernicious. Certainly, good that an institution has done and continues to do (especially insofar as it seems to indicate a generally positive intent) might shape the form and tone of any criticism of a bad thing it does, it shouldn't prevent such criticism altogether.
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pchristensen 12y ago
Educational experience, to say the least! Reminds me of when people found out Google was driving every mile of street in the world, or manually scanning every book everywhere. "Today the Church has 220 data-gathering teams in forty-five countries that are making digital copies of new records. They are also converting 2.4 million microfilm records into a digital format. The LDS drove microfilm technology in the twentieth century, and today it is a leader in digital data storage. Its digital camera operators photograph records and get those images online within two days, and then an enormous army—that is to say, hundreds of thousands—of volunteers index the files and make them searchable. The Mormons were crowdsourcing long before the word was invented."

by patio11 12y ago

ggreer 12y ago

At some point, a set of beliefs is so harmful that it would be borderline-unethical not to criticize them. Would you have made a similar comment if the Church of Latter-day Saints refused to recognize mixed-race marriages? In case you didn't know, such racism was LDS dogma until 1978. This project is impressive in its comprehensiveness, and I'm glad an organization has undertaken it. Still, the discriminatory, homophobic dogmas of the LDS church cannot be ignored, and criticism of these beliefs should not be discouraged. Only through discourse can they be challenged and obsoleted. The sooner that happens, the better.

elpachuco 12y ago
>>such racism was LDS dogma until 1978 Good to know. More proof all religions are crap.
- davidw 12y ago
  Given: * patio11 is, afaik, a practicing Catholic. * patio11 contributes a great deal to this site. * He probably has a thick skin about it, but comments like that are probably not something he likes or will encourage him to use a site. My conclusion is that anything that takes us that far off topic should be flagged because it may have a negative impact on the value I get from the site. I came here to talk about startups and hacking, not religion or politics.
  - chroma 12y ago
    If patio11 was a Scientologist, would you say the same thing? We all draw a line somewhere. If you would react to Scientology differently, remember that the Catholic church has caused (and is causing) much more harm than the Church of Scientology. The former has burned people at the stake, conspired with the Nazis, helped spread AIDS, and covered up child rape. Note: I respect patio11 immensely and wish him nothing but happiness. I simply want to ensure your views are consistent. Edit: Can you answer my question more explicitly? Your response comes across as a tentative "yes" but I'm not certain.
    - davidw 12y ago
      I don't want to talk with patio11 or you or elpachuco or anyone else about their politics or religion - at least not on this site. That's where I draw the line. I want to talk with you about hacking and startups. I'd be happy to talk politics all you want if you drop by Padova and we go out for a drink. Not here though!
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- mga226 12y ago
  > More proof all religions are crap. I don't see how that follows. - An atheist.

thret 12y ago

I just think a comprehensive genealogy is important enough that it should be managed without bias or discrimination. I wouldn't criticise the Catholic healthcare system, it has helped too many people for that.

dragonwriter 12y ago
> I wouldn't criticise the Catholic healthcare system, it has helped too many people for that. The idea that doing good makes you immune to criticism for doing bad is particularly pernicious. Certainly, good that an institution has done and continues to do (especially insofar as it seems to indicate a generally positive intent) might shape the form and tone of any criticism of a bad thing it does, it shouldn't prevent such criticism altogether.

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pchristensen 12y ago

Educational experience, to say the least! Reminds me of when people found out Google was driving every mile of street in the world, or manually scanning every book everywhere. "Today the Church has 220 data-gathering teams in forty-five countries that are making digital copies of new records. They are also converting 2.4 million microfilm records into a digital format. The LDS drove microfilm technology in the twentieth century, and today it is a leader in digital data storage. Its digital camera operators photograph records and get those images online within two days, and then an enormous army—that is to say, hundreds of thousands—of volunteers index the files and make them searchable. The Mormons were crowdsourcing long before the word was invented."