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> If you want to post on Quora and mark it _not for reproduction_, that's totally your choice. If you think of it this way, it makes sense that Quora is not let

> If you want to post on Quora and mark it _not for reproduction_, that's totally your choice. If you think of it this way, it makes sense that Quora is not letting their content get automatically distributed, since once it goes to Archive.org, it's no longer under the users' control to revoke access to the answer at any time. This would be a totally reasonable explanation if copyright law didn't exist, but it does. Content you create is already marked "not for reproduction", and if someone -- including the Internet Archive! -- reproduces it without your permission, you are legally entitled to ask them to stop. The Internet Archive won't even make you involve a lawyer.

konklone 12y ago
> and if someone -- including the Internet Archive! -- reproduces it without your permission, you are legally entitled to ask them to stop. The Internet Archive won't even make you involve a lawyer. That's right. And this is important, because the Archive, like everyone else, is subject to copyright law. What Quora is asking for is something more: an API that allows them to go in, without any sort of human process or judgment, and sync up the Archive's records with what Quora wants those records to be. That's much different, and much worse.
- webmaven 12y ago
  Hey, I'm the random guy that asked you to answer on Quora. How I found you isn't very mysterious, I just asked all the folks listed here: http://18f.gsa.gov http://18f.gsa.gov if I could easily identify a Quora profile. I asked because a friend of mine recently joined 18F, I like what your team is doing, so I created the question as an attempt to get more attention for you guys. Just consider the resulting page a form of advertising ephemera. Sites on the Internet should aspire to be more, but Quora doesn't.
  - konklone 12y ago
    > Hey, I'm the random guy that asked you to answer on Quora. How I found you isn't very mysterious, I just asked all the folks listed here: http://18f.gsa.gov http://18f.gsa.gov if I could easily identify a Quora profile. And hopefully it's clear in my post that I'm really glad you did! :) It really is a good artifact -- which is exactly why I get so mad that it's not being preserved the way it should be.
    - webmaven 12y ago
      Oh good, so we're still cool. :-)
- nimblegorilla 12y ago
  You are just being an exploitative bully. Why should the Archive get to decide how every other website on the internet works? When people post on Quora they can also post somewhere that does get indexed by the Archive. Or they can keep it private to Quora. > What Quora is asking for is something more: an API that allows them to go in, without any sort of human process or judgment, and sync up the Archive's records with what Quora wants those records to be Does anyone else realize the self entitlement in your post? That which you so adamantly oppose giving to Quora is exactly what you desire from them: an API that allows the Archive to go in, without any sort of human process or judgement, and sync up the Archive's records with what the Archive wants those records to be.
  - visural 12y ago
    There's nothing in the parent comment that seems unreasonable to me. You're putting a spin on it that doesn't exist. The content of Quora today is what it is. The Internet Archive has no agenda for misrepresenting the content of any site. They don't want "records to be" anything other than what is reality now, tomorrow and the in the future. The Archive's stance is perfectly reasonable. You can't arbitrarily go back in time and remove content that existed at the time, otherwise it's not a historical record. So you can opt-out totally or be included in the archive's records, it's that simple.
    - nimblegorilla 12y ago
      > You can't arbitrarily go back in time and remove content that existed at the time, otherwise it's not a historical record. With all due respect, the previous line is just your opinion. Court transcripts and other historical records get redacted all the time. The Archive's stance might be reasonable, but so is Quora's. I object to the idea that Quora is "selfish" for letting people control their own content. Read that guy's original post: > What Quora is asking for from the Internet Archive — and really, since the Archive has no public competition, from the Internet — is unreasonable, short-sighted, and selfish. Quora is simply being a shark about "their" content, at the public's expense. The post is nothing more than an attempt to shame Quora into opening up their data. There are many people that don't want everything they post on the internet going into permanent and searchable databases.
hosh 12y ago
Copyright laws doesn't prevent reproduction. It doesn't mark anything "not for reproduction". It simply gives authors the right to sue.
- dredmorbius 12y ago
  It legally constrains unlimited reproduction. Since the 1976 act (in the U.S.), the default state of _any_ work is "protected", with all rights reserved to the author (or copyright holder), with very, very limited exceptions.

konklone 12y ago

> and if someone -- including the Internet Archive! -- reproduces it without your permission, you are legally entitled to ask them to stop. The Internet Archive won't even make you involve a lawyer. That's right. And this is important, because the Archive, like everyone else, is subject to copyright law. What Quora is asking for is something more: an API that allows them to go in, without any sort of human process or judgment, and sync up the Archive's records with what Quora wants those records to be. That's much different, and much worse.

webmaven 12y ago
Hey, I'm the random guy that asked you to answer on Quora. How I found you isn't very mysterious, I just asked all the folks listed here: http://18f.gsa.gov http://18f.gsa.gov if I could easily identify a Quora profile. I asked because a friend of mine recently joined 18F, I like what your team is doing, so I created the question as an attempt to get more attention for you guys. Just consider the resulting page a form of advertising ephemera. Sites on the Internet should aspire to be more, but Quora doesn't.
- konklone 12y ago
  > Hey, I'm the random guy that asked you to answer on Quora. How I found you isn't very mysterious, I just asked all the folks listed here: http://18f.gsa.gov http://18f.gsa.gov if I could easily identify a Quora profile. And hopefully it's clear in my post that I'm really glad you did! :) It really is a good artifact -- which is exactly why I get so mad that it's not being preserved the way it should be.
  - webmaven 12y ago
    Oh good, so we're still cool. :-)
nimblegorilla 12y ago
You are just being an exploitative bully. Why should the Archive get to decide how every other website on the internet works? When people post on Quora they can also post somewhere that does get indexed by the Archive. Or they can keep it private to Quora. > What Quora is asking for is something more: an API that allows them to go in, without any sort of human process or judgment, and sync up the Archive's records with what Quora wants those records to be Does anyone else realize the self entitlement in your post? That which you so adamantly oppose giving to Quora is exactly what you desire from them: an API that allows the Archive to go in, without any sort of human process or judgement, and sync up the Archive's records with what the Archive wants those records to be.
- visural 12y ago
  There's nothing in the parent comment that seems unreasonable to me. You're putting a spin on it that doesn't exist. The content of Quora today is what it is. The Internet Archive has no agenda for misrepresenting the content of any site. They don't want "records to be" anything other than what is reality now, tomorrow and the in the future. The Archive's stance is perfectly reasonable. You can't arbitrarily go back in time and remove content that existed at the time, otherwise it's not a historical record. So you can opt-out totally or be included in the archive's records, it's that simple.
  - nimblegorilla 12y ago
    > You can't arbitrarily go back in time and remove content that existed at the time, otherwise it's not a historical record. With all due respect, the previous line is just your opinion. Court transcripts and other historical records get redacted all the time. The Archive's stance might be reasonable, but so is Quora's. I object to the idea that Quora is "selfish" for letting people control their own content. Read that guy's original post: > What Quora is asking for from the Internet Archive — and really, since the Archive has no public competition, from the Internet — is unreasonable, short-sighted, and selfish. Quora is simply being a shark about "their" content, at the public's expense. The post is nothing more than an attempt to shame Quora into opening up their data. There are many people that don't want everything they post on the internet going into permanent and searchable databases.

hosh 12y ago

Copyright laws doesn't prevent reproduction. It doesn't mark anything "not for reproduction". It simply gives authors the right to sue.

dredmorbius 12y ago
It legally constrains unlimited reproduction. Since the 1976 act (in the U.S.), the default state of _any_ work is "protected", with all rights reserved to the author (or copyright holder), with very, very limited exceptions.