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You're going to be hard pressed to get a real citation for the safety thing. The issue is just so complex you can't have a 1 to 1 relationship between concealed

by comrh 12y ago

You're going to be hard pressed to get a real citation for the safety thing. The issue is just so complex you can't have a 1 to 1 relationship between concealed carry and crime rates. Some states release CCP numbers though and they're plenty of people doing it.

hotgoldminer 12y ago
Any documented instance of concealed carry preventing a crime? Strictly using my imagination, I see far more opportunity for escalation of and accidental violence than for prevention.
- Fear-The-N8V 12y ago
  There are plenty. People aren't evil by default. Give them more credit. http://www.ijreview.com/2014/03/125342-armed-man-gathers-people-together-dollar-general-breakroom-concealed-carry-holder-saves/ http://www.ijreview.com/2014/03/125342-armed-man-gathers-peo... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yqkqzsIjujI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yqkqzsIjujI http://bearingarms.com/concealed-carry-permit-holder-stops-shooting-rampage-in-portland/ http://bearingarms.com/concealed-carry-permit-holder-stops-s...
  - RubyPinch 12y ago
    @ the last link: I don't think that would fit into the case of "preventing a crime", the guy shot 3 people then started leaving, before he got shot
    - hga 12y ago
      That makes the proposition largely unfalsifiable. That is---and this is a very minimal report---we can't know if someone who momentarily stopped shooting would continue. However, continuing to extrapolate from this report, neither police (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tennessee_v._Garner http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tennessee_v._Garner) nor civilians are allowed to use lethal force on someone who's ceased threatening and is simply fleeing. If a case cannot be made that the threat was still there, guy who shot him should have been charged.
- flycaliguy 12y ago
  What would anecdotal examples reveal? Seems more likely to confuse the question.
- tedunangst 12y ago
  Going all the way back to yesterday.... http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/harrisburg_politics/Two-lawmakers-involved-in-shoot-out-with-robbers-near-Capitol.html http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/harrisburg_politics/Two-l... > Confronted by a gunman just blocks from the state Capitol on Tuesday night, a Democratic legislator from Northeastern Pennsylvania pulled his own weapon and traded fire with a would-be robber. Remaining question is to look up the legislator own voting record on the issue of gun control.

by comrh 12y ago

hotgoldminer 12y ago

Any documented instance of concealed carry preventing a crime? Strictly using my imagination, I see far more opportunity for escalation of and accidental violence than for prevention.

Fear-The-N8V 12y ago
There are plenty. People aren't evil by default. Give them more credit. http://www.ijreview.com/2014/03/125342-armed-man-gathers-people-together-dollar-general-breakroom-concealed-carry-holder-saves/ http://www.ijreview.com/2014/03/125342-armed-man-gathers-peo... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yqkqzsIjujI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yqkqzsIjujI http://bearingarms.com/concealed-carry-permit-holder-stops-shooting-rampage-in-portland/ http://bearingarms.com/concealed-carry-permit-holder-stops-s...
- RubyPinch 12y ago
  @ the last link: I don't think that would fit into the case of "preventing a crime", the guy shot 3 people then started leaving, before he got shot
  - hga 12y ago
    That makes the proposition largely unfalsifiable. That is---and this is a very minimal report---we can't know if someone who momentarily stopped shooting would continue. However, continuing to extrapolate from this report, neither police (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tennessee_v._Garner http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tennessee_v._Garner) nor civilians are allowed to use lethal force on someone who's ceased threatening and is simply fleeing. If a case cannot be made that the threat was still there, guy who shot him should have been charged.
flycaliguy 12y ago
What would anecdotal examples reveal? Seems more likely to confuse the question.
tedunangst 12y ago
Going all the way back to yesterday.... http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/harrisburg_politics/Two-lawmakers-involved-in-shoot-out-with-robbers-near-Capitol.html http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/harrisburg_politics/Two-l... > Confronted by a gunman just blocks from the state Capitol on Tuesday night, a Democratic legislator from Northeastern Pennsylvania pulled his own weapon and traded fire with a would-be robber. Remaining question is to look up the legislator own voting record on the issue of gun control.