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> The only difference is he is doing it server side Ah, but from a legal perspective, this makes all the difference. It is, I'm sorry to say, copyright infring

by declan 12y ago

> The only difference is he is doing it server side Ah, but from a legal perspective, this makes all the difference. It is, I'm sorry to say, copyright infringement and goes beyond what fair use permits.

petercooper 12y ago
You're right, but I wonder where the line is drawn with things like online RSS readers. They're basically doing the same thing, but just behind a username/password.
- declan 12y ago
  >line is drawn with things like online RSS readers For starters, I'd look at the Supreme Court's opinion in Grokster. Here it is in HN-suitable pseudocode. :) IF $distributing_product_used_by_others_to_infringe == FALSE THEN FIND_NO_LIABILITY ( "None found" ) ELSEIF $distributing_with_object_of_promoting_infringement == TRUE THEN FIND_LIABILITY ( "You're inducing infringement ") ELSE IF $actual_knowledge_of_infringements == TRUE and $failed_to_block == TRUE THEN FIND_LIABILITY ( "You're a contributory infringer ") ELSE IF $capable_of_substantial_noninfringing_uses == TRUE THEN FIND_NO_LIABILITY ( "None found" ) ELSE FIND_LIABILITY ( "You're a contributory infringer ") END END END How this applies to online RSS readers is left as an exercise for the reader... UPDATE: A copyright lawyer friend points out via email that I neglected to include vicarious liability. I'll leave the above pseudocode as-is and note vicarious liability here as a bugfix/todo.
Houshalter 12y ago
Yes I understand that, I said it isn't qualitatively different. If the web page somehow distributed javascript that would do the same thing client side, the website would appear exactly the same, yet would be perfectly legal. The comment I was replying to wasn't arguing that it was illegal, but actually wrong and "lacking respect". I was just pointing out that he should have the same opinion towards things like readability. Also I think readability did do it server side, and so do other things like RSS readers.
- declan 12y ago
  Without taking a position on Readability, there's more to the calculation than client side vs. server side. For more see my post here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8455648 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8455648

by declan 12y ago

petercooper 12y ago

You're right, but I wonder where the line is drawn with things like online RSS readers. They're basically doing the same thing, but just behind a username/password.

declan 12y ago
>line is drawn with things like online RSS readers For starters, I'd look at the Supreme Court's opinion in Grokster. Here it is in HN-suitable pseudocode. :) IF $distributing_product_used_by_others_to_infringe == FALSE THEN FIND_NO_LIABILITY ( "None found" ) ELSEIF $distributing_with_object_of_promoting_infringement == TRUE THEN FIND_LIABILITY ( "You're inducing infringement ") ELSE IF $actual_knowledge_of_infringements == TRUE and $failed_to_block == TRUE THEN FIND_LIABILITY ( "You're a contributory infringer ") ELSE IF $capable_of_substantial_noninfringing_uses == TRUE THEN FIND_NO_LIABILITY ( "None found" ) ELSE FIND_LIABILITY ( "You're a contributory infringer ") END END END How this applies to online RSS readers is left as an exercise for the reader... UPDATE: A copyright lawyer friend points out via email that I neglected to include vicarious liability. I'll leave the above pseudocode as-is and note vicarious liability here as a bugfix/todo.

Houshalter 12y ago

Yes I understand that, I said it isn't qualitatively different. If the web page somehow distributed javascript that would do the same thing client side, the website would appear exactly the same, yet would be perfectly legal. The comment I was replying to wasn't arguing that it was illegal, but actually wrong and "lacking respect". I was just pointing out that he should have the same opinion towards things like readability. Also I think readability did do it server side, and so do other things like RSS readers.

declan 12y ago
Without taking a position on Readability, there's more to the calculation than client side vs. server side. For more see my post here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8455648 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8455648