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I figured this would be a lively comments section. MBA-hatred might be the most common blind spot in the Valley, and it bums me out. Within the historical cont
by leroy_masochist 12y ago
I figured this would be a lively comments section. MBA-hatred might be the most common blind spot in the Valley, and it bums me out.
Within the historical context, the animosity makes sense; during the 99-00 bubble, fast-growing companies that were founded and led by engineers realized that they couldn't grow managers organically and maintain their growth rate -- so, they recruited MBAs from the top schools, especially HBS and Stanford. In so doing, they made a categorical error -- they inferred that all Harvard MBAs are, at a minimum, competent managers in the same way that all Stanford CS master's degree holders are, at a minimum, competent programmers. Many people got burned for making this assumption.
Anecdotal evidence suggests that the MBAs who "answered the call" and/or beat down the doors of hot startups in the bubble years exemplified the worst of the MBA stereotype: arrogant, entitled pricks whose life plan from high school was get the right grades, do the right extracurricular activities, go to the right college, get the right grades, get the right internship, get the right job, kiss everyone's ass and get good evaluations, get the right GMAT score, get into HBS, and then be anointed as the elite, highly-paid business person that they were born to be. They were process-oriented people who didn't care about creating value, they just wanted their slice of the pie.
I'll be honest, I knew a few people like this in business school, but they were a small minority. It's unfortunate that people who meet this stereotype have punched above their weight when it comes to making an impression on popular opinion in the Valley.
In my case I got a lot out of going to business school. It was a great transition from military service: I got a comprehensive crash course on a lot of relevant topics, got a recruiting platform from which I got a good job where I subsequently learned a lot, and got a broad and deep network of a lot of people (most of them not douchebags) across a wide set of industries.
On the topic of the article itself....I think the author is trying to squeeze the data too hard. The story here is not "i-banking no longer cool for trend-following MBAs", it's "i-banks are cutting costs and realizing that it's cheaper to hire more people out of college and try to keep them around longer".
- Balgair 12y agoThank you for the viewpoint. MBAs, as used to segregate people in a bureaucracy, are a good idea. Your company has a pretty good idea that you have heard of accounting and it's theory, marketing as a profession, and the business and it's place in law and society having done an MBA. Yes, to many people, this is 'common sense' but with thousands of people working for you 'common' is very hard to come by. MBA degrees fill a function, to get everyone the same vocab, ideas, and implementations of those things. It leads to group think by design, it has to. You simply cannot have 500 people working together with different definitions or fuzzy ideas of what accounting actually does. It would be chaos. MBAs are a symptom of bureaucracy, not a cause of it. Group Think as well, you have to have standard definitions, processes, and procedures. The issue is when you loose sight of that need and create orthodoxy.
- crimsonalucard 12y agoSo your saying MBA's teach zero skills save for vocabulary necessary to enforce bureaucratic segregation? I guess you can say the same thing about law. I don't see the same thing happening at my company though. Concepts discussed at the management level are usually communicated in a way any layman can understand.
- Balgair 12y agoNo, the skills are a part of the vocab too, so to speak. Accounting, for example, has definitions as well as methods. If your department uses MatLab then trying to get the other department that only uses Excel is going to be hard. It's not just 'software' issues either. The ethos, the rounding of fractions of a cent, knowing when to run an internal audit, how to deal with Janet's crappy way of writing 9 and 4, all those little tricks and 'common sense' things need to be sussed out in a huge bureaucracy. Multiply this over hundreds of different fields of work, states and nations and you see why a training course that is not just 1 weekend long is needed. Glad to hear your company is well run though.