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> That's why campaigning often takes on an aggressive bent, and why affirmative action is called for. Current generations steeped in sexism (I mean, much as I'm

> That's why campaigning often takes on an aggressive bent, and why affirmative action is called for. Current generations steeped in sexism (I mean, much as I'm a feminist, I see many of my ingrained sexist biases) need to prop up this scaffold to make sure the changes are institutionalized and carry over and next generations are raised with less biases by means of institutions, as opposed to "just keep in mind everybody is equal, yay!" If you fight one injustice with an even bigger one, the war just continues forever. Counteracting sexism against women this generation using affirmative action (giving women more rights than men) just means that next generation men will see themselves as abused and exploited and ask for affirmative action in their favor. This will simply keep escalating more and more. The only solution is to treat everyone the same.

jrock08 12y ago
> If you fight one injustice with an even bigger one, the war just continues forever. Except equality isn't a possibility in the current "climate". There aren't 50% women in tech, politics, etc. Unless you make a strong stance that we need more women, to the tune of more money spent or more outreach, it will never get there, because the status quo is easier to maintain. > Counteracting sexism against women this generation using affirmative action (giving women more rights than men) just means that next generation men will see themselves as abused and exploited and ask for affirmative action in their favor. But that's not true historically, or logically. White people aren't the minority asking for affirmative action now. Once we get to 50% there might be a slight overcorrection of a few %, but fear of a future in which men need affirmative action shouldn't be an excuse for why we shouldn't provide for women in tech (~14%). > The only solution is to treat everyone the same. Exactly, we need to have 50% women in tech, and the only way to do that is by applying a force to increase the number of women in tech tomorrow.

jrock08 12y ago

> If you fight one injustice with an even bigger one, the war just continues forever. Except equality isn't a possibility in the current "climate". There aren't 50% women in tech, politics, etc. Unless you make a strong stance that we need more women, to the tune of more money spent or more outreach, it will never get there, because the status quo is easier to maintain. > Counteracting sexism against women this generation using affirmative action (giving women more rights than men) just means that next generation men will see themselves as abused and exploited and ask for affirmative action in their favor. But that's not true historically, or logically. White people aren't the minority asking for affirmative action now. Once we get to 50% there might be a slight overcorrection of a few %, but fear of a future in which men need affirmative action shouldn't be an excuse for why we shouldn't provide for women in tech (~14%). > The only solution is to treat everyone the same. Exactly, we need to have 50% women in tech, and the only way to do that is by applying a force to increase the number of women in tech tomorrow.