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It's funny you call it a conspiracy theory. There's no conspiracy. And it is not a theory. The NSA currently requires companies (like Microsoft, Apple) to provi

It's funny you call it a conspiracy theory. There's no conspiracy. And it is not a theory. The NSA currently requires companies (like Microsoft, Apple) to provide encryption keys corresponding to devices where pertinent. If you look at Bush era legislation most of the pen register, tap-and-trace laws and rulings were precisely pulling existing laws for telecommunication onto the domain of the internet by arguing technical equivalence. It is also true today that essentially all telecommunications are done over digital lines. Finally Apple isn't a "web company", nor is Microsoft or the majority of 'large corporations'. > "...unless the encryption was provided by the carrier and the carrier possesses the information necessary to decrypt the communication" I don't think I need to say very much here. Regarding Apple's encryption there's lots of good information about how very little it actually does and can do. There was also a hacker news thread with yours truly. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8389365 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8389365 Regarding the 'antiquated' FOIA doc - you can export strong crypto but you backdoor it, keep the keys, or provide other ways to access the data. Blackberry's entire business model was secure communications and look where they are today. RSA is now in a similar boat. "Weaken encryption" does not mean 'lower the bit security under the standard attacker model' here. In this case it means 'subvert encryption through design or implementation flaws, key repositories, controlled PRNGs, side channel access or designed-in systems level access to the data'. "Weaken encryption" doesn't mean "choose smaller key sizes", it means "make the fact that something is encrypted a weak guarantee of security and privacy." > But the Silicon Valley companies that we know and more-or-less love have done the opposite Image management, nothing more. Why the public showdown? That doesn't make any sense at all. No sir, I'm certain that corporations would like to provide security and privacy for their customers. And they do. But not against federal law enforcement. There are no new laws that need passing right now. The machinery is there and we've witnessed it in action multiple times. There is no David and Goliath story here, no heroes to be heralded. It's romantic, alright. I wish it were realistic. Google (and others, that we are supposed to love) fought several battles that made it to the highest levels of court in the United States but lost. They were then forced to comply. The United States used extreme financial leverage to get QWest to comply (and when they still wouldn't, let/forced them to go bankrupt). What's changed since then? Where there some new Supreme or Circuit Court decisions that have depreciated the former?

declan 12y ago
>NSA currently requires companies (like Microsoft, Apple) to provide encryption keys corresponding to devices Link, please?
- xnull2guest 12y ago
  "They can promise strong encryption. They just need to figure out how they can provide us plain text." - FBI General Counsel Valerie Caproni, September 27, 2010 Didn't we already chat about key escrow requirements, CALEA, etc? The Clinton Administration's big thing was key escrow. Clipper, of course, and as that policy failed the administration moved control of encryption from Military/Exports and Munitions to the Department of Commerce under the agreement that key escrow systems would be put in place where weak cryptography had been previously. Major companies (including RSA, IBM, Apple, Sun, HP, AOL, others) collaboratively drafted industry standard key escrow systems (aside: crypto key escrow patents are a fun things to look up on patent searches). Additional pressure was exerted of course because the United States had seen a very strong rise in geopolitical espionage and sabotage and strong crypto was becoming a problem for the NSA. That's where things were at the end of the Clinton Administration. During Bush's administration we saw nothing but an expansion of powers and budgets for intelligence agencies and reclassification of laws applying to other media (for tap and trace/pen register) to the internet (although CALEA already applies to broadband internet) and to computers, 'computer systems and networks' and electronic equipment. Bush (and Clinton before him) warned of rising international cyberwarfare, but couldn't get the populace concerned about it. Anyway, you do NOT see a reversal on escrow requirements during the Bush or the Obama administration - rather you see an expansion of escrow and an expansion of hardware, software and standard backdoors as well as the leaks from Snowden. There are a number of ways that escrow is done (we're ignoring backdoors right now). The TPM is one novel way that keys are stored in a way that gives access for law enforcement. TPMs are in essentially every computer, 'spooks' showed up at the standardization meetings for the chip, Germany announced they provided backdoor access during diplomatic troubles (and have since 'rescinded the announcement' whatever that means), China blocks all electronics with TPM chips coming from the United States (and allies) and after a bunch of international and technical/commercial problems the TPM 2.0 spec (again attended by Five Eyes spooks) it was for the most part abandoned. And honestly, does a low end consumer device ($650 laptop or $300 phone) require a self destructing chip that can't be examined using standard equipment or at room temperature? The TPM also almost always resides on the low pin count bus (the spec does not specify where it needs to sit), which gives it DMA (TPMs do NOT need DMA). Or check out Microsoft's Cryptographic Service Provider (CSPs). This is where you store, provision, can generate, access, and utilize your keys in a Microsoft system. It's also famous for being where the NSAKEY gave access. Microsoft will tell you that it keeps your keys secured, but it is well known to any pentester that access to admin on a box can dump all of the keys, including those that are so-called 'marked non-exportable'. From what I can tell by the public MSDN articles on the subject contents of the CSPs can be controlled via group policies, and interops with other management systems. This isn't to mention that bitlocker keys are automatically synchronized with Skydrive (Onedrive) accounts and that Onedrive was onboarded to PRISM for NSA access. Well, that's only if you have a Microsoft Account. Oh, one is automatically made for you and you're essentially required to sign up for an account to use any new Microsoft OS. Well, that and bitlocker keys are also backed up inside of organizations to Active Directory (i.e. don't 'domain join' your personal computer). Anyway. Check the flurry of Apple news items recently. The narrative would like to use that as some sort of David vs. Goliath story of the good guy capitalist protecting his consumer. But check the details. The addition of encryption is not new. What's new is that they are publicly claiming that with this encryption system they will not have access to the private keys, and so can not comply with requests. Now we don't have to believe them (I don't), but we do have to acknowledge that -not having a facility for escrow- is their 'dangerous game'. Encryption is not a 'dangerous game'. Not providing escrow is.

declan 12y ago

>NSA currently requires companies (like Microsoft, Apple) to provide encryption keys corresponding to devices Link, please?

xnull2guest 12y ago
"They can promise strong encryption. They just need to figure out how they can provide us plain text." - FBI General Counsel Valerie Caproni, September 27, 2010 Didn't we already chat about key escrow requirements, CALEA, etc? The Clinton Administration's big thing was key escrow. Clipper, of course, and as that policy failed the administration moved control of encryption from Military/Exports and Munitions to the Department of Commerce under the agreement that key escrow systems would be put in place where weak cryptography had been previously. Major companies (including RSA, IBM, Apple, Sun, HP, AOL, others) collaboratively drafted industry standard key escrow systems (aside: crypto key escrow patents are a fun things to look up on patent searches). Additional pressure was exerted of course because the United States had seen a very strong rise in geopolitical espionage and sabotage and strong crypto was becoming a problem for the NSA. That's where things were at the end of the Clinton Administration. During Bush's administration we saw nothing but an expansion of powers and budgets for intelligence agencies and reclassification of laws applying to other media (for tap and trace/pen register) to the internet (although CALEA already applies to broadband internet) and to computers, 'computer systems and networks' and electronic equipment. Bush (and Clinton before him) warned of rising international cyberwarfare, but couldn't get the populace concerned about it. Anyway, you do NOT see a reversal on escrow requirements during the Bush or the Obama administration - rather you see an expansion of escrow and an expansion of hardware, software and standard backdoors as well as the leaks from Snowden. There are a number of ways that escrow is done (we're ignoring backdoors right now). The TPM is one novel way that keys are stored in a way that gives access for law enforcement. TPMs are in essentially every computer, 'spooks' showed up at the standardization meetings for the chip, Germany announced they provided backdoor access during diplomatic troubles (and have since 'rescinded the announcement' whatever that means), China blocks all electronics with TPM chips coming from the United States (and allies) and after a bunch of international and technical/commercial problems the TPM 2.0 spec (again attended by Five Eyes spooks) it was for the most part abandoned. And honestly, does a low end consumer device ($650 laptop or $300 phone) require a self destructing chip that can't be examined using standard equipment or at room temperature? The TPM also almost always resides on the low pin count bus (the spec does not specify where it needs to sit), which gives it DMA (TPMs do NOT need DMA). Or check out Microsoft's Cryptographic Service Provider (CSPs). This is where you store, provision, can generate, access, and utilize your keys in a Microsoft system. It's also famous for being where the NSAKEY gave access. Microsoft will tell you that it keeps your keys secured, but it is well known to any pentester that access to admin on a box can dump all of the keys, including those that are so-called 'marked non-exportable'. From what I can tell by the public MSDN articles on the subject contents of the CSPs can be controlled via group policies, and interops with other management systems. This isn't to mention that bitlocker keys are automatically synchronized with Skydrive (Onedrive) accounts and that Onedrive was onboarded to PRISM for NSA access. Well, that's only if you have a Microsoft Account. Oh, one is automatically made for you and you're essentially required to sign up for an account to use any new Microsoft OS. Well, that and bitlocker keys are also backed up inside of organizations to Active Directory (i.e. don't 'domain join' your personal computer). Anyway. Check the flurry of Apple news items recently. The narrative would like to use that as some sort of David vs. Goliath story of the good guy capitalist protecting his consumer. But check the details. The addition of encryption is not new. What's new is that they are publicly claiming that with this encryption system they will not have access to the private keys, and so can not comply with requests. Now we don't have to believe them (I don't), but we do have to acknowledge that -not having a facility for escrow- is their 'dangerous game'. Encryption is not a 'dangerous game'. Not providing escrow is.