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> 1. Drugs should be legal and sold out of liquor stores to anyone 21 and older. What about Rohypnol?

by dsl 12y ago

NoMoreNicksLeft 12y ago
Marijuana should be legal to possess, to produce, and to sell. Shrooms should be legal to possess, to produce, and to sell. Cocaine should be legal to possess, and to sell (perhaps licensed). Heroin (and associated opiates) should be legal to possess, to produce, and to sell (perhaps only licensed sales). Meth should be legal to possess, to produce (for large licensed companies), and to sell. When I use the word "drugs" in the context of this conversation, I am referring to recreational drugs. I'm not necessarily saying that antibiotics should be available without prescription. Rohypnol isn't a typical recreational drug. Considering that its only use seems to be covertly drugging third parties, I do not advocate that it be legal to buy or sell. You definitely understood what I meant. You're fallaciously trying to find a counter-example that can be used to undermine my arguments.
akerl_ 12y ago
Woah, let's not bring up actual dialogue about the grey areas involved in deregulating substances :)
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ObviousScience 12y ago
What about it? By far, the most common date rape drug is alcohol, and we're okay selling that, even though it also comes with a whole host of other problems. Nor is alcohol the only readily available substance that is legal to obtain and can be used to efficiently date rape someone. (I'm not going to name them here, because I don't support helping rapist, but I used to work in drug production with chemists, and well, you end up talking about morbid things on the late shift.) You're implying that you think one of the two problematic things will happen: a) increase the ability of people who are interested in having date rape drugs to obtain something that will make them more dangerous than they already are or b) that more people are going to start date raping others. I don't think that either of these are likely, and they're certainly claims that deserve some evidence to back them up. Studies in countries that have legalized/decriminalized their drug markets seems to hint that pretty much everyone who wanted to obtain drugs already had ready access to them. So I'm curious, what about rophypnol?
coldtea 12y ago
What about it? For one, it's not the kind of drug we're talking about. Second, we sell knives (ocassionally used for murders), rat poison, and all kinds of dangerous stuff. The crime is using that staff to perform something illegal, not buying them.

> 1. Drugs should be legal and sold out of liquor stores to anyone 21 and older. What about Rohypnol?

by dsl 12y ago

> 1. Drugs should be legal and sold out of liquor stores to anyone 21 and older. What about Rohypnol?

Marijuana should be legal to possess, to produce, and to sell. Shrooms should be legal to possess, to produce, and to sell. Cocaine should be legal to possess, and to sell (perhaps licensed). Heroin (and associated opiates) should be legal to possess, to produce, and to sell (perhaps only licensed sales). Meth should be legal to possess, to produce (for large licensed companies), and to sell. When I use the word "drugs" in the context of this conversation, I am referring to recreational drugs. I'm not necessarily saying that antibiotics should be available without prescription. Rohypnol isn't a typical recreational drug. Considering that its only use seems to be covertly drugging third parties, I do not advocate that it be legal to buy or sell. You definitely understood what I meant. You're fallaciously trying to find a counter-example that can be used to undermine my arguments.

akerl_ 12y ago

Woah, let's not bring up actual dialogue about the grey areas involved in deregulating substances :)

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ObviousScience 12y ago

What about it? By far, the most common date rape drug is alcohol, and we're okay selling that, even though it also comes with a whole host of other problems. Nor is alcohol the only readily available substance that is legal to obtain and can be used to efficiently date rape someone. (I'm not going to name them here, because I don't support helping rapist, but I used to work in drug production with chemists, and well, you end up talking about morbid things on the late shift.) You're implying that you think one of the two problematic things will happen: a) increase the ability of people who are interested in having date rape drugs to obtain something that will make them more dangerous than they already are or b) that more people are going to start date raping others. I don't think that either of these are likely, and they're certainly claims that deserve some evidence to back them up. Studies in countries that have legalized/decriminalized their drug markets seems to hint that pretty much everyone who wanted to obtain drugs already had ready access to them. So I'm curious, what about rophypnol?

coldtea 12y ago

What about it? For one, it's not the kind of drug we're talking about. Second, we sell knives (ocassionally used for murders), rat poison, and all kinds of dangerous stuff. The crime is using that staff to perform something illegal, not buying them.