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I live in a country where lanes are that narrow. Driving is fucking terrifying. You're just inches away from the traffic in the next lane. Traffic is always con

I live in a country where lanes are that narrow. Driving is fucking terrifying. You're just inches away from the traffic in the next lane. Traffic is always congested. For me to get to work, the fastest way is bicycle or scooter, then public transport, then car, then walking. A third of the population doesn't drive it at all. It's simply too dangerous, too frustrating and too slow. I'd argue for expanding the lanes to 15ft rather than narrowing them.

RodericDay 12y ago
>> For me to get to work, the fastest way is bicycle or scooter, then public transport, then car, then walking. >> I'd argue for expanding the lanes to 15ft rather than narrowing them. I can't even comprehend people like you. Encouraging biking and public transport is a good thing, environmentally and socially.
- Alupis 12y ago
  except when I live 20 miles from work and the public transit system has no regular schedule that will suit my needs, meaning I'd have to arrive at work 1+ hours early, or 1+ hours late, carrying my laptop bag with all my work supplies + my school bag with all my university supplies. (not everyone lives in SF). This simply is not practical, nor is it practical to impose every person should "just ride public transit".
  - chetanahuja 12y ago
    "except when I live 20 miles from work and the public transit system has no regular schedule that will suit my needs" That right there is the vicious cycle that has brought us to the mess we're in today. The answer is not to keep feeding the monster of urban sprawl with bigger and faster roads to encourage even longer hellish commutes by car. The answer is to encourage mixed developments where a majority of people live close to the business centers and have short commutes (so a mix of public transit/biking/walking is practical for most people).
    - Alupis 12y ago
      I don't want my commute distance to limit my employment opportunities. I can't envision a day where I personally would be capable of lugging my day's supplies on a bike 20+ miles (each way!), nor where it's practical to take public transit. Nor do I want to only be limited to working in areas my local public transit serves. This ideal you have just isn't realistic for an awful lot of people. Especially those not living in the large metropolitan areas.
      - RodericDay 12y ago
        You drive your car to the outskirts of the city, and use public transportation inside.
        Alupis 12y ago
        How do you still not understand this is not practical for majority of people? The solution isn't "just ride public transportation". The solution is less polluting vehicles, ie. hybrid/electric cars. More efficient roadways (ie. "smart roads"), etc.
        RodericDay 12y ago
        the solution is definitely public transport. the idea that 200 pound bags of flesh need to be ferried around by tonnes of steel, massive swathes of land devoted to letting them rest nearby while we remain in the destination, and the entire landscape designed to let them roam around is insanity. edit: also, the majority of people don't own cars.
exogen 12y ago
> For me to get to work, the fastest way is bicycle or scooter, then public transport, then car, then walking. A third of the population doesn't drive it at all. That sounds pretty awesome. Driving a personal vehicle that takes up space, pollutes, and has the most capacity for causing harm should not be the default option like people treat it as.
CamperBob2 12y ago
Driving is fucking terrifying. Of course that equates to Mission Accomplished, from the point of view of the people you're responding to.
pilsetnieks 12y ago
> Traffic is always congested Wider lanes won't make it less congested.

RodericDay 12y ago

>> For me to get to work, the fastest way is bicycle or scooter, then public transport, then car, then walking. >> I'd argue for expanding the lanes to 15ft rather than narrowing them. I can't even comprehend people like you. Encouraging biking and public transport is a good thing, environmentally and socially.

Alupis 12y ago
except when I live 20 miles from work and the public transit system has no regular schedule that will suit my needs, meaning I'd have to arrive at work 1+ hours early, or 1+ hours late, carrying my laptop bag with all my work supplies + my school bag with all my university supplies. (not everyone lives in SF). This simply is not practical, nor is it practical to impose every person should "just ride public transit".
- chetanahuja 12y ago
  "except when I live 20 miles from work and the public transit system has no regular schedule that will suit my needs" That right there is the vicious cycle that has brought us to the mess we're in today. The answer is not to keep feeding the monster of urban sprawl with bigger and faster roads to encourage even longer hellish commutes by car. The answer is to encourage mixed developments where a majority of people live close to the business centers and have short commutes (so a mix of public transit/biking/walking is practical for most people).
  - Alupis 12y ago
    I don't want my commute distance to limit my employment opportunities. I can't envision a day where I personally would be capable of lugging my day's supplies on a bike 20+ miles (each way!), nor where it's practical to take public transit. Nor do I want to only be limited to working in areas my local public transit serves. This ideal you have just isn't realistic for an awful lot of people. Especially those not living in the large metropolitan areas.
    - RodericDay 12y ago
      You drive your car to the outskirts of the city, and use public transportation inside.
      - Alupis 12y ago
        How do you still not understand this is not practical for majority of people? The solution isn't "just ride public transportation". The solution is less polluting vehicles, ie. hybrid/electric cars. More efficient roadways (ie. "smart roads"), etc.
        RodericDay 12y ago
        the solution is definitely public transport. the idea that 200 pound bags of flesh need to be ferried around by tonnes of steel, massive swathes of land devoted to letting them rest nearby while we remain in the destination, and the entire landscape designed to let them roam around is insanity. edit: also, the majority of people don't own cars.

exogen 12y ago

> For me to get to work, the fastest way is bicycle or scooter, then public transport, then car, then walking. A third of the population doesn't drive it at all. That sounds pretty awesome. Driving a personal vehicle that takes up space, pollutes, and has the most capacity for causing harm should not be the default option like people treat it as.

CamperBob2 12y ago

Driving is fucking terrifying. Of course that equates to Mission Accomplished, from the point of view of the people you're responding to.

pilsetnieks 12y ago

> Traffic is always congested Wider lanes won't make it less congested.