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Do you have a source for your factual statement about what happened when speed limits were increased? I ask, because you write, "My life is about science and da

Do you have a source for your factual statement about what happened when speed limits were increased? I ask, because you write, "My life is about science and data," and I would have liked to see some links to some science and data in your comment. I was just Googling around with searches on open-ended questions like "effect of speed limit changes," and I found some links to official reports and scientific studies http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2724439/ http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2724439/ http://narc.org/uploads/File/Transportation/Library/NCHRP_SpeedLimit.pdf http://narc.org/uploads/File/Transportation/Library/NCHRP_Sp... http://safety.fhwa.dot.gov/speedmgt/ref_mats/fhwasa1304/resources/Effect%20of%20Increases%20in%20Speed%20Limit.pdf http://safety.fhwa.dot.gov/speedmgt/ref_mats/fhwasa1304/reso... that suggest that raising speed limits increases the rate of road fatalities, at least on highways that are not designed with the features of the Interstate Highway System highways. But perhaps you have found other studies whose methodology you would like to explain here that reach a different conclusion.

robomartin 12y ago
Not worth my time. You are right. 65mph is killing people by the thousands. We should go back to 55 on Monday. Please.
- robomartin 12y ago
  Right, exactly what I said about the HN cargo cult. So, this guy refutes me with a bunch of nonsense links to studies he admits are about "highways that are not designed with the features of the Interstate Highway System highways". Really? Any moron can understand that raising the speed limit on a road not designed to handle it will result in nothing good. I've travelled on the autobahn at 180 miles per hour (under the right conditions, etc.). I have driven the Nurburgring in an overpowered 911. None of our (US) highways are even remotely designed for that. Yet the transition from 55 to 65 or even 80 isn't a problem at all for the vast majority of our roads. So I called the guy for doing exactly what the author of the 12 foot vs. 10 foot lane author is probably doing: Using bullshit or irrelevant papers to try to support a nonsense conclusion. And you cargo cult kids down vote me. Well done. Think.
astral303 12y ago
Here you go: http://www.motorists.org/speed-limits/55-mph-study.pdf http://www.motorists.org/speed-limits/55-mph-study.pdf (references inside the PDF to the source data)
- robomartin 12y ago
  I am so glad someone other than me took the time to google this and post it here. People want everything spoon fed these days. They don't even want to take a few moments to say "Let me see if this guy has a point" and do a little research before running their mouths through the keyboard. Thank you for posting this limk. How about it folks? You are not going to take back all those down votes and nonsense counterpoint posts, are you? You are not going to apologize and say, "Sorry, you were right", are you? Of course you are not. You probably won't even take the time to read the PDF this person posted. No, it's much easier to hate those with opposing views and smash them down as hard as you can than to make an effort to understand and learn something.
  - ewoodrich 12y ago
    What makes it so difficult to provide evidence for your own argument? I don't understand why you think that making a contrary point and then saying it "isn't worth your time" to corroborate the claim would persuade anybody.
    - robomartin 12y ago
      Why do I have to? Why does everything have to be spoon fed? Some of the most valuable learning I have done has been through researching topics out of my own interest, sometimes spurred by and idea or a couple of words I came across somewhere. You learn very little by being spoon fed. I am not here to spoon feed anyone. If someone wants to refute what I said, take the time to go ascertain whether or not my point is valid. Googling is pretty easy. Until you (plural you) have done that, don't spew off a bunch of irrelevant nonsense that makes you (plural) look like a fool. The punch line here is very simple: If you ready my original comment, there's NOTHING whatsoever on there that is false. Yet it was attacked mercilessly and down-voted to hell and back. And so was nearly every single comment I had to make after that to defend myself and my position. Shooting the messenger is a sport around here. And then someone really smart came along and he/she decided to take a few moments to actually and see if I was full of shit or not. And a link was posted. And, guess what, it corroborated absolutely everything I said about the transition from 55 to 65. Yet nobody apologizes and the barrage of down-votes and attacks continues because, well, the kids just don't want to be wrong. Well, fuck you all. Grow up and go learn something. HN sucks at this. It is ruled by what I perceive to be a petulant mob of post-adolescents who just got free from Mommy and Daddy and now have to be right all the time in the face of reality. And don't get me started about the manure-filled ideas they soaked-up in college and took to be true without any thought, consideration or validation with reality at all. Important? Not really. HN is mostly a waste of time as a participant exactly because of this mob of post-diaper members who make discussing anything just about impossible. The sport is to find holes in your comments and savagely attack them with comments, down votes or both. It's a true mob of bully's. I've been pretty busy lately and have mostly ignored HN for probably months (don't really have a clue how long). I've picked up reading an article here and there from a quick browse of the first page but no discussions of any substance in a while. Frankly, not sure why I got into this thread. I'm on vacation, that must be why. And I actually regret it. I hate dealing with ignorant, entitled, petulant 20-somethings. And that's what HN is full of. I'll phase myself back into read-only mode. I'll let the morons own the castle. Of course this comment will be met with the usual dosage of savage come-backs and down votes. Have fun kids, whatever floats your boat.

robomartin 12y ago

Not worth my time. You are right. 65mph is killing people by the thousands. We should go back to 55 on Monday. Please.

robomartin 12y ago
Right, exactly what I said about the HN cargo cult. So, this guy refutes me with a bunch of nonsense links to studies he admits are about "highways that are not designed with the features of the Interstate Highway System highways". Really? Any moron can understand that raising the speed limit on a road not designed to handle it will result in nothing good. I've travelled on the autobahn at 180 miles per hour (under the right conditions, etc.). I have driven the Nurburgring in an overpowered 911. None of our (US) highways are even remotely designed for that. Yet the transition from 55 to 65 or even 80 isn't a problem at all for the vast majority of our roads. So I called the guy for doing exactly what the author of the 12 foot vs. 10 foot lane author is probably doing: Using bullshit or irrelevant papers to try to support a nonsense conclusion. And you cargo cult kids down vote me. Well done. Think.

astral303 12y ago

Here you go: http://www.motorists.org/speed-limits/55-mph-study.pdf http://www.motorists.org/speed-limits/55-mph-study.pdf (references inside the PDF to the source data)

robomartin 12y ago
I am so glad someone other than me took the time to google this and post it here. People want everything spoon fed these days. They don't even want to take a few moments to say "Let me see if this guy has a point" and do a little research before running their mouths through the keyboard. Thank you for posting this limk. How about it folks? You are not going to take back all those down votes and nonsense counterpoint posts, are you? You are not going to apologize and say, "Sorry, you were right", are you? Of course you are not. You probably won't even take the time to read the PDF this person posted. No, it's much easier to hate those with opposing views and smash them down as hard as you can than to make an effort to understand and learn something.
- ewoodrich 12y ago
  What makes it so difficult to provide evidence for your own argument? I don't understand why you think that making a contrary point and then saying it "isn't worth your time" to corroborate the claim would persuade anybody.
  - robomartin 12y ago
    Why do I have to? Why does everything have to be spoon fed? Some of the most valuable learning I have done has been through researching topics out of my own interest, sometimes spurred by and idea or a couple of words I came across somewhere. You learn very little by being spoon fed. I am not here to spoon feed anyone. If someone wants to refute what I said, take the time to go ascertain whether or not my point is valid. Googling is pretty easy. Until you (plural you) have done that, don't spew off a bunch of irrelevant nonsense that makes you (plural) look like a fool. The punch line here is very simple: If you ready my original comment, there's NOTHING whatsoever on there that is false. Yet it was attacked mercilessly and down-voted to hell and back. And so was nearly every single comment I had to make after that to defend myself and my position. Shooting the messenger is a sport around here. And then someone really smart came along and he/she decided to take a few moments to actually and see if I was full of shit or not. And a link was posted. And, guess what, it corroborated absolutely everything I said about the transition from 55 to 65. Yet nobody apologizes and the barrage of down-votes and attacks continues because, well, the kids just don't want to be wrong. Well, fuck you all. Grow up and go learn something. HN sucks at this. It is ruled by what I perceive to be a petulant mob of post-adolescents who just got free from Mommy and Daddy and now have to be right all the time in the face of reality. And don't get me started about the manure-filled ideas they soaked-up in college and took to be true without any thought, consideration or validation with reality at all. Important? Not really. HN is mostly a waste of time as a participant exactly because of this mob of post-diaper members who make discussing anything just about impossible. The sport is to find holes in your comments and savagely attack them with comments, down votes or both. It's a true mob of bully's. I've been pretty busy lately and have mostly ignored HN for probably months (don't really have a clue how long). I've picked up reading an article here and there from a quick browse of the first page but no discussions of any substance in a while. Frankly, not sure why I got into this thread. I'm on vacation, that must be why. And I actually regret it. I hate dealing with ignorant, entitled, petulant 20-somethings. And that's what HN is full of. I'll phase myself back into read-only mode. I'll let the morons own the castle. Of course this comment will be met with the usual dosage of savage come-backs and down votes. Have fun kids, whatever floats your boat.