That's exactly right. Ceylon and Rust are both new languages, with, it seems to me, a fair amount of similarity in terms of overall philosophy, but they target

That's exactly right. Ceylon and Rust are both new languages, with, it seems to me, a fair amount of similarity in terms of overall philosophy, but they target quite distinct usecases. Ceylon -> VMs, Rust -> systems programming. And so quite fundamental differences between the languages arise out of that.