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If we put away our personal politics, and try to see Obama's actions objectively, it seems he has continued, even expanded, America's intervention in government

by lmg643 12y ago

If we put away our personal politics, and try to see Obama's actions objectively, it seems he has continued, even expanded, America's intervention in governments around the middle east. Libya was overthrown, Egypt was overthrown, and we've been making attempts in Syria and Ukraine. And after failing to gin up support against chemical weapons, we're now bombing Syria because of some crazy rebels that are allied with groups we support. In the bigger picture, we are waging a crypto-war with between Russia over energy resources from Russia and the Gulf into Europe. Pope Francis recently had the courage to call it as such: http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/09/13/us-pope-war-idUSKBN0H808L20140913 http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/09/13/us-pope-war-idUSKB... So - to see Obama's peace prize as anything other than a partisan political joke (as you say, a "middle finger" to Bush) is a mistake. Obama's administration has put the world as close to a hot-war between nuclear powers as we've seen in some time. It should make us angry - he was elected to stop the madness, and it seems like he is running business-as-usual.

_cudgel 12y ago
> It should make us angry - he was elected to stop the madness, and it seems like he is running business-as-usual. It should make us angry, but not because he didn't fulfill his promise -- I think the public made a huge mistake taking a politician at his word. Rather, we ought to be angry for two reasons. One, because he simply doesn't have the power to stop it. The machinery of the state, and the industry that keeps it propped up, have a momentum all their own. Two, because he stood alone in the face of this madness. The Democrats could have reigned all this in in his first term, with investigations and criminal charges for the perpetrators, but they preferred to move on to other business, which it turns out is the same as the old business.
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by lmg643 12y ago

_cudgel 12y ago

> It should make us angry - he was elected to stop the madness, and it seems like he is running business-as-usual. It should make us angry, but not because he didn't fulfill his promise -- I think the public made a huge mistake taking a politician at his word. Rather, we ought to be angry for two reasons. One, because he simply doesn't have the power to stop it. The machinery of the state, and the industry that keeps it propped up, have a momentum all their own. Two, because he stood alone in the face of this madness. The Democrats could have reigned all this in in his first term, with investigations and criminal charges for the perpetrators, but they preferred to move on to other business, which it turns out is the same as the old business.

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