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I think this is great advice. I don't think it supports your assertion that this game is more difficult to play as a woman or a minority. If you claim that "c

by hnal943 12y ago

I think this is great advice. I don't think it supports your assertion that this game is more difficult to play as a woman or a minority. If you claim that "clueless white men" take more risk, and therefore end up on both extremes (promoted or fired) more often, then they aren't privileged.

mqsiuser 12y ago
They are, but with a price: The price is that they can't show up again at their former company, but now are at their next with ALL the benefits. I usually chose that. Noone gives it to you (on the silver plate). You have to demand it. It's a struggle for everyone. Which is a change (to former times): My dad happily got old in one company (IN ONCE CITY, with friends, family and everything there). HE got the promotions and raises. WHAT changed ?!?
michaelochurch 12y ago
If you claim that "clueless white men" take more risk, and therefore end up on both extremes (promoted or fired) more often, then they aren't privileged. Most people who are privileged are white. There's definitely a disproportionate representation. Most white people are not privileged, because most people are not privileged. People who talk about "white privilege" as something extended to all whites haven't been in Appalachia recently. Gender is much more complicated. There are overprivileged men and women, but gender norms are the strongest at the bottom and top of society, while the middle is most gender-egalitarian. That's why I have no problem making jokes about "rich Daddies" and "trophy wives" when I lampoon the upper class (which is not the same set of people as "the rich"). They actually are deeply sexist, so those depictions are pretty accurate. The result of this is that the upper class directs overprivileged women to the fatuous (sitting on boards of art galleries without understanding art, fashion, etc.) and overprivileged men to positions of power.
- gizmo 12y ago
  > Most white people are not privileged, because most people are not privileged. This is a misrepresentation of what white privilege means. It means that all things equal being white gives you an unearned advantage in (western) society. The same applies to gender-privilege, cis-privilege, wealth-privilege, and so on. Our society would be better if we wouldn't give or deny people opportunities based on those attributes. All white people have white privilege, but a white person can obviously still be less privileged than a person of color. You can argue that "most white people are not privileged" because on an absolute privilege scale most white people aren't all doing so great, but that still semantic nonsense for the reason I give above. Nobody makes the ridiculous assertion that being white automatically makes your life awesome, so to use white privilege like that is a straw man. To put it simply: being white and poor in Appalachia sucks, but being a poor minority in Appalachia sucks worse. Therefore white privilege.

by hnal943 12y ago

mqsiuser 12y ago

They are, but with a price: The price is that they can't show up again at their former company, but now are at their next with ALL the benefits. I usually chose that. Noone gives it to you (on the silver plate). You have to demand it. It's a struggle for everyone. Which is a change (to former times): My dad happily got old in one company (IN ONCE CITY, with friends, family and everything there). HE got the promotions and raises. WHAT changed ?!?

michaelochurch 12y ago

If you claim that "clueless white men" take more risk, and therefore end up on both extremes (promoted or fired) more often, then they aren't privileged. Most people who are privileged are white. There's definitely a disproportionate representation. Most white people are not privileged, because most people are not privileged. People who talk about "white privilege" as something extended to all whites haven't been in Appalachia recently. Gender is much more complicated. There are overprivileged men and women, but gender norms are the strongest at the bottom and top of society, while the middle is most gender-egalitarian. That's why I have no problem making jokes about "rich Daddies" and "trophy wives" when I lampoon the upper class (which is not the same set of people as "the rich"). They actually are deeply sexist, so those depictions are pretty accurate. The result of this is that the upper class directs overprivileged women to the fatuous (sitting on boards of art galleries without understanding art, fashion, etc.) and overprivileged men to positions of power.

gizmo 12y ago
> Most white people are not privileged, because most people are not privileged. This is a misrepresentation of what white privilege means. It means that all things equal being white gives you an unearned advantage in (western) society. The same applies to gender-privilege, cis-privilege, wealth-privilege, and so on. Our society would be better if we wouldn't give or deny people opportunities based on those attributes. All white people have white privilege, but a white person can obviously still be less privileged than a person of color. You can argue that "most white people are not privileged" because on an absolute privilege scale most white people aren't all doing so great, but that still semantic nonsense for the reason I give above. Nobody makes the ridiculous assertion that being white automatically makes your life awesome, so to use white privilege like that is a straw man. To put it simply: being white and poor in Appalachia sucks, but being a poor minority in Appalachia sucks worse. Therefore white privilege.