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> By what right You assume 100% self ownership of one's life, which I find silly. Society makes large investments in individuals and typically they have long t

> By what right You assume 100% self ownership of one's life, which I find silly. Society makes large investments in individuals and typically they have long term duties that cannot rightfully be abandoned.

JoeAltmaier 12y ago
Well in America anyway, the dominant culture is of an independent right to choose your own way. Especially in the arena of personal health and welfare.
golgappi 12y ago
> duties We don't have a choice in being born, and we don't have a choice in dying either. This very thought alone can make quite a lot of people want to kill themselves. The fact that society loses money and investment when a person dies is not the responsibility of the person. Society works the way it does without asking us for a say in it. Its been this way since ages, and will continue for ages. I as an individual cannot do anything to make society see me as non-existent. Or if I do, then this should be laid out as a series of steps. In this article, its mentioned the medical area loses $1 million per suicide, as if when I am in a state to kill myself I should feel guilty that I am 'owned' by society and by killing myself i will be 'stealing' from it. Pathetic.
jrmurad 12y ago
So it's not out of compassion that you'd want to talk anyone out of suicide, but because they owe you/society something? Also consider the chances that someone who wants to kill himself isn't too pleased with what "society" did for/to him.
- a8da6b0c91d 12y ago
  On the contrary, I think people are most often suicidal because they fail to perceive their role in society as meaningful. To the extent this happens it is because of deep-seated problems in modern industrialism c.f. Ted Kaczynski. The cracks are just far too large in modern economic systems. Public social welfare programs play a large role in disconnecting people from their kin and neighbors; it becomes easy to feel irrelevant in supporting others. The failures of modern industrial capitalism and social programs don't change the the underlying reality of suicide, however. It is a form of desertion, or dereliction of duty. This is more apparent in smaller scale societies.

JoeAltmaier 12y ago

Well in America anyway, the dominant culture is of an independent right to choose your own way. Especially in the arena of personal health and welfare.

golgappi 12y ago

> duties We don't have a choice in being born, and we don't have a choice in dying either. This very thought alone can make quite a lot of people want to kill themselves. The fact that society loses money and investment when a person dies is not the responsibility of the person. Society works the way it does without asking us for a say in it. Its been this way since ages, and will continue for ages. I as an individual cannot do anything to make society see me as non-existent. Or if I do, then this should be laid out as a series of steps. In this article, its mentioned the medical area loses $1 million per suicide, as if when I am in a state to kill myself I should feel guilty that I am 'owned' by society and by killing myself i will be 'stealing' from it. Pathetic.

jrmurad 12y ago

So it's not out of compassion that you'd want to talk anyone out of suicide, but because they owe you/society something? Also consider the chances that someone who wants to kill himself isn't too pleased with what "society" did for/to him.

a8da6b0c91d 12y ago
On the contrary, I think people are most often suicidal because they fail to perceive their role in society as meaningful. To the extent this happens it is because of deep-seated problems in modern industrialism c.f. Ted Kaczynski. The cracks are just far too large in modern economic systems. Public social welfare programs play a large role in disconnecting people from their kin and neighbors; it becomes easy to feel irrelevant in supporting others. The failures of modern industrial capitalism and social programs don't change the the underlying reality of suicide, however. It is a form of desertion, or dereliction of duty. This is more apparent in smaller scale societies.