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Kurzweil is not respected in the AI community. I have never heard of Moravec. I thought Scott Aaronson had a survey of AI researchers where they were asked how

Kurzweil is not respected in the AI community. I have never heard of Moravec. I thought Scott Aaronson had a survey of AI researchers where they were asked how long they though AGI would take but I can't find it now.

danieltillett 12y ago
>Kurzweil is not respected in the AI community. I have never heard of Moravec. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hans_Moravec http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hans_Moravec I don’t care what people think about when (or if) we achieve AGI, I want to know why they think a particular date. What analysis have they done to reach their conclusion?
- ForHackernews 12y ago
  > I want to know why they think a particular date. What analysis have they done to reach their conclusion? Kurzweil is terrified of his own mortality and counting on "The Singularity" to allow him to upload his immortal ~soul~ consciousness into a computer. That's why he's predicting a date within his lifespan.
  - danieltillett 12y ago
    This may well be true, but what analysis has he done to support this. The only detailed analysis I have seen from anyone is from Moravec. I have been through his analysis and I can’t find any flaw with it.
    - foobarqux 12y ago
      Where can I find this analysis? It is impossible that there is no reasonable criticism to be made.
      - danieltillett 12y ago
        http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/rise-of-the-robots/ http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/rise-of-the-robots...
        foobarqux 12y ago
        He is in the "all we need is fast enough computers" camp. This claim is far from obvious: We can't even simulate the simplest organisms today despite the fact that we have extraordinary computing power relative to the capacity of these organisms.
        danieltillett 12y ago
        This is true, but the evidence so far with AI is that as soon as we have sufficient computational power the tasks that were thought to require human intelligence were then solved by computers. I don’t think anyone serious thinks that sufficient computational power alone will result in AGI, but we know that we aren’t going to have it until we get to the human level computational. The interesting question is once we have human level computational power is how long will it take to develop AGI. The evidence from problems that require more limited intelligence (say chess) is that the problem is solved soon after the required computational resources are available.

danieltillett 12y ago

>Kurzweil is not respected in the AI community. I have never heard of Moravec. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hans_Moravec http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hans_Moravec I don’t care what people think about when (or if) we achieve AGI, I want to know why they think a particular date. What analysis have they done to reach their conclusion?

ForHackernews 12y ago
> I want to know why they think a particular date. What analysis have they done to reach their conclusion? Kurzweil is terrified of his own mortality and counting on "The Singularity" to allow him to upload his immortal ~soul~ consciousness into a computer. That's why he's predicting a date within his lifespan.
- danieltillett 12y ago
  This may well be true, but what analysis has he done to support this. The only detailed analysis I have seen from anyone is from Moravec. I have been through his analysis and I can’t find any flaw with it.
  - foobarqux 12y ago
    Where can I find this analysis? It is impossible that there is no reasonable criticism to be made.
    - danieltillett 12y ago
      http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/rise-of-the-robots/ http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/rise-of-the-robots...
      - foobarqux 12y ago
        He is in the "all we need is fast enough computers" camp. This claim is far from obvious: We can't even simulate the simplest organisms today despite the fact that we have extraordinary computing power relative to the capacity of these organisms.
        danieltillett 12y ago
        This is true, but the evidence so far with AI is that as soon as we have sufficient computational power the tasks that were thought to require human intelligence were then solved by computers. I don’t think anyone serious thinks that sufficient computational power alone will result in AGI, but we know that we aren’t going to have it until we get to the human level computational. The interesting question is once we have human level computational power is how long will it take to develop AGI. The evidence from problems that require more limited intelligence (say chess) is that the problem is solved soon after the required computational resources are available.