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What you're not aware of is that the dailystormer itself is very likely a trolling site in itself, aimed at creating ridiculous and believable content to draw i

What you're not aware of is that the dailystormer itself is very likely a trolling site in itself, aimed at creating ridiculous and believable content to draw in support by real white supremacists and enrage the unsuspecting public. It would make perfect sense for weev to go on there with a photo of him with fake tattoos to help them in their quest. That is how deep the rabbit hole goes. Also, since you mention gamergate, have one adult link on the matter: http://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2014/09/04/gamergate-a-closer-look-at-the-controversy-sweeping-video-games/ http://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2014/09/04/gamergate-a-...

ijk 12y ago
Oh look, an example of the exact thing the original article is talking about, down to the unsourced accusations of DMCA takedowns for censorship.
- zyx321 12y ago
  It's not really "unsourced." MundaneMatt did post a screenshot of the takedown notice he received. (EDIT: It's linked in the article, of course. Just in case anyone didn't find it because they didn't actually read the article.) Of course the request itself looks incredibly fake (not even bothering to capitalize her name), so who the hell knows where it came from? In any case, the controversy isn't really about Zoe any more. We don't know how much truth there is to the accusations, and even if they are true, she's really not that important to the big picture.
  - zimpenfish 12y ago
    What I don't get is why no-one is slamming Gjoni for being a classless dickhead in the first place - sure, there's descriptions of "jilted ex" and whatnot but where's the condemnation and outrage about his actions? (I know, I know, he's a guy and it's A-OK. Bleh.)
    - zyx321 12y ago
      Because it doesn't fit into anyone's narrative. Pro-Zoey - You really don't wanna bring up any legitimate criticism of her when you could be playing up the victim narrative. Anti-Zoey (AKA mysoginists) - The man is obviously a hero for giving that bitch what-for. Pro-Journalistic-Integrity - Who the fuck is Zoey Quinn, and why can't people shut up about her? So while he may be a classless dickhead, he's not high on anyone's agenda. Nobody in the trenches cares about Gavrilo Princip.
- Mithaldu 12y ago
  It's the exact opposite in fact. The original article is about trolls making up lies and victims having little recourse. The lie in this case is "Zoe traded sex for press coverage". Kain explains how there is no basis for this claim whatsoever ("the initial concerns were quickly proven to be all smoke and no fire") and then goes on to explain how, despite being based on nothing, this managed to blow up anyhow by everyone making allegations that are nearly impossible to make fact, yet are taken as fact by many others. This kind of thing is exactly what the original article is talking about, only that in the GamerGate case it's happening in both directions. As for the DMCA thing: The video was down. While i haven't even watched it, as it's probably full of bullshit, you can go to the video ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O5CXOafuTXM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O5CXOafuTXM ), click "... More > Statistics > Daily" and see the view count drop to zero in august for a few days. This outage may have had several reasons, but due to the original uploader linking to what seems to be a DMCA takedown notice on his tumblr ( http://archive.today/UqAwg http://archive.today/UqAwg ) it appears that she did send that. And that is all Kain said. Given these two facts, and how they do belong into the greater discussion, i am curious how you'd expect him to express that differently.
  - ijk 12y ago
    Well, Kain's article is a description of the exact kind of harassment campaign described in the original article. So the first sense I meant is that the contents of the article are the exact thing talked about. For the DMCA: "unverifiable" is probably a better description than "unsourced", but the part I wanted to highlight was how this whole thing followed the exact playbook described in Kathy Sierra's essay. Second, while Kain is trying to take a balanced approach, he unfortunately only looks at the surface of the issues, reporting the accusations in great detail. This is a dynamic that's also pointed out in the original article: uncritically accepting a new martyr while glossing over the original harassment. Lots about "gamers are over" and TFYC, virtually nothing about the mob harassment for anyone other than Phil Fish. And absolutely nothing about the organized astroturfing in the IRC channels, which has been documented extensively. The accusations are repeated without much introspection, in a way that it can be used as an apologetic hammer against either side. It may not be actively harmful in itself, but it doesn't do much to actually inform the reader of all of the issues. For an even-handed look at the topic, I'd rather suggest, say, a scholarly look at the issues that acknowledges some of the problems: http://www.firstpersonscholar.com/we-will-force-gaming-to-be-free/ http://www.firstpersonscholar.com/we-will-force-gaming-to-be... or at least an article by someone who is less personally involved than Kain is: http://www.vox.com/2014/9/6/6111065/gamergate-explained-everybody-fighting http://www.vox.com/2014/9/6/6111065/gamergate-explained-ever...

ijk 12y ago

Oh look, an example of the exact thing the original article is talking about, down to the unsourced accusations of DMCA takedowns for censorship.

zyx321 12y ago
It's not really "unsourced." MundaneMatt did post a screenshot of the takedown notice he received. (EDIT: It's linked in the article, of course. Just in case anyone didn't find it because they didn't actually read the article.) Of course the request itself looks incredibly fake (not even bothering to capitalize her name), so who the hell knows where it came from? In any case, the controversy isn't really about Zoe any more. We don't know how much truth there is to the accusations, and even if they are true, she's really not that important to the big picture.
- zimpenfish 12y ago
  What I don't get is why no-one is slamming Gjoni for being a classless dickhead in the first place - sure, there's descriptions of "jilted ex" and whatnot but where's the condemnation and outrage about his actions? (I know, I know, he's a guy and it's A-OK. Bleh.)
  - zyx321 12y ago
    Because it doesn't fit into anyone's narrative. Pro-Zoey - You really don't wanna bring up any legitimate criticism of her when you could be playing up the victim narrative. Anti-Zoey (AKA mysoginists) - The man is obviously a hero for giving that bitch what-for. Pro-Journalistic-Integrity - Who the fuck is Zoey Quinn, and why can't people shut up about her? So while he may be a classless dickhead, he's not high on anyone's agenda. Nobody in the trenches cares about Gavrilo Princip.
Mithaldu 12y ago
It's the exact opposite in fact. The original article is about trolls making up lies and victims having little recourse. The lie in this case is "Zoe traded sex for press coverage". Kain explains how there is no basis for this claim whatsoever ("the initial concerns were quickly proven to be all smoke and no fire") and then goes on to explain how, despite being based on nothing, this managed to blow up anyhow by everyone making allegations that are nearly impossible to make fact, yet are taken as fact by many others. This kind of thing is exactly what the original article is talking about, only that in the GamerGate case it's happening in both directions. As for the DMCA thing: The video was down. While i haven't even watched it, as it's probably full of bullshit, you can go to the video ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O5CXOafuTXM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O5CXOafuTXM ), click "... More > Statistics > Daily" and see the view count drop to zero in august for a few days. This outage may have had several reasons, but due to the original uploader linking to what seems to be a DMCA takedown notice on his tumblr ( http://archive.today/UqAwg http://archive.today/UqAwg ) it appears that she did send that. And that is all Kain said. Given these two facts, and how they do belong into the greater discussion, i am curious how you'd expect him to express that differently.
- ijk 12y ago
  Well, Kain's article is a description of the exact kind of harassment campaign described in the original article. So the first sense I meant is that the contents of the article are the exact thing talked about. For the DMCA: "unverifiable" is probably a better description than "unsourced", but the part I wanted to highlight was how this whole thing followed the exact playbook described in Kathy Sierra's essay. Second, while Kain is trying to take a balanced approach, he unfortunately only looks at the surface of the issues, reporting the accusations in great detail. This is a dynamic that's also pointed out in the original article: uncritically accepting a new martyr while glossing over the original harassment. Lots about "gamers are over" and TFYC, virtually nothing about the mob harassment for anyone other than Phil Fish. And absolutely nothing about the organized astroturfing in the IRC channels, which has been documented extensively. The accusations are repeated without much introspection, in a way that it can be used as an apologetic hammer against either side. It may not be actively harmful in itself, but it doesn't do much to actually inform the reader of all of the issues. For an even-handed look at the topic, I'd rather suggest, say, a scholarly look at the issues that acknowledges some of the problems: http://www.firstpersonscholar.com/we-will-force-gaming-to-be-free/ http://www.firstpersonscholar.com/we-will-force-gaming-to-be... or at least an article by someone who is less personally involved than Kain is: http://www.vox.com/2014/9/6/6111065/gamergate-explained-everybody-fighting http://www.vox.com/2014/9/6/6111065/gamergate-explained-ever...