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Seriously, just the idea of keeping ALL your company internal conversations on a 3rd party server is quite crazy, but to get access without even hacking anythin

Seriously, just the idea of keeping ALL your company internal conversations on a 3rd party server is quite crazy, but to get access without even hacking anything.. I wonder if situations like this will result in business customers more carefully evaluating SaaS solutions that deal with sensitive data, because "in-house" solutions may be old school, but at least a) no one will suddenly terminate the service and b) all data is kept locally.

cilantro1994 12y ago
It beats me to see so many Microsoft and google teams. Don't they have their own tools to do this securely. Leaking of business conversations can have serious implications on many areas from financial to legal. If an employee leaves the company how that will be handled.
- dasil003 12y ago
  What conversations are being leaked? It's a list of team names.
  - spacefight 12y ago
    By using slack or any other external chat system, you're leaking metadata and comms content.
    - dasil003 12y ago
      Leaking to where? By using the internet you're leaking [meta]data. It's a question of degrees and trust.
      - demachina 12y ago
        They are leaking potentially confidential information to a third party company running the service, in this case Slack. For all you know they could be doing stock trades based on all the insider info they can glean from their chat traffic as their business model. If the communication includes material insider information, like companies/products they are considering buying, and they are flinging it all over the internet so third parties can read and act on it the SEC can charge them. If you use cloud services for company communication then you at least need to have provably secure encryption so only the people you want to see the conversation can. Of course this criticism applies to all the suckers who use Google and Microsoft cloud services for their business.
        rtpg 12y ago
        >For all you know they could be doing stock trades based on all the insider info they can glean from their chat traffic as their business model. From the Slack TOS: >Your acceptance of this TOS gives us the permission to do so and grants us any such rights necessary to provide the service to you, only for the purpose of providing the service (and for no other purpose). They _could_ be breaking the TOS (and thus the contract between you and the them), but I doubt it.
richmarr 12y ago
Productivity trumps those concerns.
- AznHisoka 12y ago
  for startups yes. For big companies, in my experience, no.
TeMPOraL 12y ago
https://sandstorm.io/ https://sandstorm.io/ seems to aim for the best of both worlds - web apps trivially easy to deploy locally.

cilantro1994 12y ago

It beats me to see so many Microsoft and google teams. Don't they have their own tools to do this securely. Leaking of business conversations can have serious implications on many areas from financial to legal. If an employee leaves the company how that will be handled.

dasil003 12y ago
What conversations are being leaked? It's a list of team names.
- spacefight 12y ago
  By using slack or any other external chat system, you're leaking metadata and comms content.
  - dasil003 12y ago
    Leaking to where? By using the internet you're leaking [meta]data. It's a question of degrees and trust.
    - demachina 12y ago
      They are leaking potentially confidential information to a third party company running the service, in this case Slack. For all you know they could be doing stock trades based on all the insider info they can glean from their chat traffic as their business model. If the communication includes material insider information, like companies/products they are considering buying, and they are flinging it all over the internet so third parties can read and act on it the SEC can charge them. If you use cloud services for company communication then you at least need to have provably secure encryption so only the people you want to see the conversation can. Of course this criticism applies to all the suckers who use Google and Microsoft cloud services for their business.
      - rtpg 12y ago
        >For all you know they could be doing stock trades based on all the insider info they can glean from their chat traffic as their business model. From the Slack TOS: >Your acceptance of this TOS gives us the permission to do so and grants us any such rights necessary to provide the service to you, only for the purpose of providing the service (and for no other purpose). They _could_ be breaking the TOS (and thus the contract between you and the them), but I doubt it.

richmarr 12y ago

Productivity trumps those concerns.

AznHisoka 12y ago
for startups yes. For big companies, in my experience, no.

TeMPOraL 12y ago

https://sandstorm.io/ https://sandstorm.io/ seems to aim for the best of both worlds - web apps trivially easy to deploy locally.