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This was really eye opening for me, I had no idea weev was involved in such things, I always thought of him as the guy who hacked iPads.

by fleitz 12y ago

PhasmaFelis 12y ago
Which is really frustrating, because Weev has been openly bragging about ruining Sierra's life for years. But every time it comes up, everyone seems to go "Weev is a hero! LA LA LA I CAN'T HEAR YOU SAYING BAD THINGS ABOUT THE HERO." And then everyone goes on talking about whatever he's in the news for now and never ever talks about the trolling. So nobody knows about it.
- fleitz 12y ago
  Yes, my opinion is definitely not one of a hero, even the iPad thing was unprofessional, I mostly don't think he needed to go to jail for it, however, maybe that's karma, he went to jail for something he shouldn't have because he didn't go to jail for something he perhaps should have. It's so strange that he did this before the iPad incident, and it's not mentioned at all. Did no one Google him?
- zimpenfish 12y ago
  Yeah, I thought he was just a daft hacker caught by bad laws until I saw the article about his new swastika tattoo a couple of days ago. Between that and finally catching up on the finer details of 'gamergate', I'm thoroughly depressed about the state of the world.
  - Mithaldu 12y ago
    What you're not aware of is that the dailystormer itself is very likely a trolling site in itself, aimed at creating ridiculous and believable content to draw in support by real white supremacists and enrage the unsuspecting public. It would make perfect sense for weev to go on there with a photo of him with fake tattoos to help them in their quest. That is how deep the rabbit hole goes. Also, since you mention gamergate, have one adult link on the matter: http://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2014/09/04/gamergate-a-closer-look-at-the-controversy-sweeping-video-games/ http://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2014/09/04/gamergate-a-...
    - ijk 12y ago
      Oh look, an example of the exact thing the original article is talking about, down to the unsourced accusations of DMCA takedowns for censorship.
      - zyx321 12y ago
        It's not really "unsourced." MundaneMatt did post a screenshot of the takedown notice he received. (EDIT: It's linked in the article, of course. Just in case anyone didn't find it because they didn't actually read the article.) Of course the request itself looks incredibly fake (not even bothering to capitalize her name), so who the hell knows where it came from? In any case, the controversy isn't really about Zoe any more. We don't know how much truth there is to the accusations, and even if they are true, she's really not that important to the big picture.
        zimpenfish 12y ago
        What I don't get is why no-one is slamming Gjoni for being a classless dickhead in the first place - sure, there's descriptions of "jilted ex" and whatnot but where's the condemnation and outrage about his actions? (I know, I know, he's a guy and it's A-OK. Bleh.)
        zyx321 12y ago
        Because it doesn't fit into anyone's narrative. Pro-Zoey - You really don't wanna bring up any legitimate criticism of her when you could be playing up the victim narrative. Anti-Zoey (AKA mysoginists) - The man is obviously a hero for giving that bitch what-for. Pro-Journalistic-Integrity - Who the fuck is Zoey Quinn, and why can't people shut up about her? So while he may be a classless dickhead, he's not high on anyone's agenda. Nobody in the trenches cares about Gavrilo Princip.
      - Mithaldu 12y ago
        It's the exact opposite in fact. The original article is about trolls making up lies and victims having little recourse. The lie in this case is "Zoe traded sex for press coverage". Kain explains how there is no basis for this claim whatsoever ("the initial concerns were quickly proven to be all smoke and no fire") and then goes on to explain how, despite being based on nothing, this managed to blow up anyhow by everyone making allegations that are nearly impossible to make fact, yet are taken as fact by many others. This kind of thing is exactly what the original article is talking about, only that in the GamerGate case it's happening in both directions. As for the DMCA thing: The video was down. While i haven't even watched it, as it's probably full of bullshit, you can go to the video ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O5CXOafuTXM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O5CXOafuTXM ), click "... More > Statistics > Daily" and see the view count drop to zero in august for a few days. This outage may have had several reasons, but due to the original uploader linking to what seems to be a DMCA takedown notice on his tumblr ( http://archive.today/UqAwg http://archive.today/UqAwg ) it appears that she did send that. And that is all Kain said. Given these two facts, and how they do belong into the greater discussion, i am curious how you'd expect him to express that differently.

This was really eye opening for me, I had no idea weev was involved in such things, I always thought of him as the guy who hacked iPads.

by fleitz 12y ago

This was really eye opening for me, I had no idea weev was involved in such things, I always thought of him as the guy who hacked iPads.

PhasmaFelis 12y ago

Which is really frustrating, because Weev has been openly bragging about ruining Sierra's life for years. But every time it comes up, everyone seems to go "Weev is a hero! LA LA LA I CAN'T HEAR YOU SAYING BAD THINGS ABOUT THE HERO." And then everyone goes on talking about whatever he's in the news for now and never ever talks about the trolling. So nobody knows about it.

fleitz 12y ago
Yes, my opinion is definitely not one of a hero, even the iPad thing was unprofessional, I mostly don't think he needed to go to jail for it, however, maybe that's karma, he went to jail for something he shouldn't have because he didn't go to jail for something he perhaps should have. It's so strange that he did this before the iPad incident, and it's not mentioned at all. Did no one Google him?
zimpenfish 12y ago
Yeah, I thought he was just a daft hacker caught by bad laws until I saw the article about his new swastika tattoo a couple of days ago. Between that and finally catching up on the finer details of 'gamergate', I'm thoroughly depressed about the state of the world.
- Mithaldu 12y ago
  What you're not aware of is that the dailystormer itself is very likely a trolling site in itself, aimed at creating ridiculous and believable content to draw in support by real white supremacists and enrage the unsuspecting public. It would make perfect sense for weev to go on there with a photo of him with fake tattoos to help them in their quest. That is how deep the rabbit hole goes. Also, since you mention gamergate, have one adult link on the matter: http://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2014/09/04/gamergate-a-closer-look-at-the-controversy-sweeping-video-games/ http://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2014/09/04/gamergate-a-...
  - ijk 12y ago
    Oh look, an example of the exact thing the original article is talking about, down to the unsourced accusations of DMCA takedowns for censorship.
    - zyx321 12y ago
      It's not really "unsourced." MundaneMatt did post a screenshot of the takedown notice he received. (EDIT: It's linked in the article, of course. Just in case anyone didn't find it because they didn't actually read the article.) Of course the request itself looks incredibly fake (not even bothering to capitalize her name), so who the hell knows where it came from? In any case, the controversy isn't really about Zoe any more. We don't know how much truth there is to the accusations, and even if they are true, she's really not that important to the big picture.
      - zimpenfish 12y ago
        What I don't get is why no-one is slamming Gjoni for being a classless dickhead in the first place - sure, there's descriptions of "jilted ex" and whatnot but where's the condemnation and outrage about his actions? (I know, I know, he's a guy and it's A-OK. Bleh.)
        zyx321 12y ago
        Because it doesn't fit into anyone's narrative. Pro-Zoey - You really don't wanna bring up any legitimate criticism of her when you could be playing up the victim narrative. Anti-Zoey (AKA mysoginists) - The man is obviously a hero for giving that bitch what-for. Pro-Journalistic-Integrity - Who the fuck is Zoey Quinn, and why can't people shut up about her? So while he may be a classless dickhead, he's not high on anyone's agenda. Nobody in the trenches cares about Gavrilo Princip.
    - Mithaldu 12y ago
      It's the exact opposite in fact. The original article is about trolls making up lies and victims having little recourse. The lie in this case is "Zoe traded sex for press coverage". Kain explains how there is no basis for this claim whatsoever ("the initial concerns were quickly proven to be all smoke and no fire") and then goes on to explain how, despite being based on nothing, this managed to blow up anyhow by everyone making allegations that are nearly impossible to make fact, yet are taken as fact by many others. This kind of thing is exactly what the original article is talking about, only that in the GamerGate case it's happening in both directions. As for the DMCA thing: The video was down. While i haven't even watched it, as it's probably full of bullshit, you can go to the video ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O5CXOafuTXM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O5CXOafuTXM ), click "... More > Statistics > Daily" and see the view count drop to zero in august for a few days. This outage may have had several reasons, but due to the original uploader linking to what seems to be a DMCA takedown notice on his tumblr ( http://archive.today/UqAwg http://archive.today/UqAwg ) it appears that she did send that. And that is all Kain said. Given these two facts, and how they do belong into the greater discussion, i am curious how you'd expect him to express that differently.