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I have no idea why you assume that pudn is an example of 'open source' to me. I'm just talking about information. Do you get this now? You are again interpretin

by v-yadli 12y ago

I have no idea why you assume that pudn is an example of 'open source' to me. I'm just talking about information. Do you get this now? You are again interpreting my words with a predefined, well, interpreter. Yes I agree with you that open source (in a western perspective somehow) doesn't work in China, as I have stated above, just like they don't care about Github. It means that the collaboration, copy right awareness, etc, etc, they just don't exist. Months ago I released some kernel patches for Xperia Z2 on github. Nobody forks it or send me pull requests. I then released kernel images to both XDA and a forum in China. It got so hot that even today there're still 100+ replies a day under my thread. Of course in a Chinese-'zombie'-style like "fawefawiefuawsef" to satisfy "reply to download". You can see how information flows... Someone releases something. Tens of thousands of end users rush to it and disrupt the ambience of communication. Makers then hide themselves, and turn to do something else. Of course sometimes they don't face end users directly. They have their own community (but usually formed as an instant message group or so) and release stuff through delegates, who are usually mods of forums. Chinese forums is an interesting thing definitely worth taking a look at. Most hardware modders post things there ranging from vehicle modding to custom guitar stomps.

chaostheory 12y ago
> I'd suggest you do some research on this: where's all the information hiding in the Chinese internet? It's just that, things work quite different here in China... In your posts (the previous one and your last one) you were essentially saying that mainland Chinese do things differently, but it was just as good. Well I've listed specific reasons as to why it's not as good as the way things are in the West. Your current example about 100 replies to your post is like the number of projects on csdn.net; it's just not impressive like other things in China like the pace and scope of Chinese construction (e.g. the 3 Gorges dam) or China's ambition for manned moon landings... and again it has nothing to do with skill or talent. It's just mainland Chinese culture.
- v-yadli 12y ago
  > but it was just as good No. Read it again. It's neither good nor bad to me. I'll apologize if my wording is confusing. > it's just not impressive like other things... Trivially true. Universally applicable. Nonsense. > It's just mainland Chinese culture Agree. What I really want is to expose the underlying details about how things work here. It's not just simply 'different' in one or two parameters. It's not about good or bad. You can say it's bad, I've got no problem with it. But I really want to say that it's interesting, and it's not just China. The fareast countries are similar. (Well talking about quality do you really think I'm arguing that pudn is good? Chinese open source is good? Why would you assume me that kind of person after all? :-)
  - chaostheory 12y ago
    > It's neither good nor bad to me. I'll apologize if my wording is confusing. Ok then I guess I don't understand your point/purpose of posting that then. From my point of view, it seemed like you were providing an argument against what I previously posted. > What I really want is to expose the underlying details about how things work here. I think I've already done a good job of that myself ;) > It's not just simply 'different' in one or two parameters. It's not about good or bad. It is bad and it's not subtle bad; it's pretty obvious, glaring, and embarrasingly bad. Again here are the reasons why I feel that it's pathetic that China is just one big photocopier: 1. As everyone has already mentioned, most of the population in China are very capable when it comes to anything technical, making stuff, or hacking it. The skill and talent are both there. 2. China dwarfs everyone when it comes to population. 3. Recapping, China has a lot more people than every other country and proportionally it even has a more skilled population due to many factors; yet most of the innovation still happens Outside of China. China always follows. It never leads in innovation. > But I really want to say that it's interesting, and it's not just China. The fareast countries are similar. I disagree. I would say that both Japan and Korea are ahead. Japan is still pretty original, and while Korea does some copying for the most part they also innovate (You can even see it in their films and shows). China's current predicament is the price for having a totalitarian way of life, where too many ideas are censored by the CCP. Maybe one day China can mitigate the lack of creativity by either allowing more freedom or by importing enough foreigners like Singapore... I kind of doubt it though given the CCP's paranoia and the current laws concerning ownership if you're not a citizen. What will happen in HK will have more repercussions for the mainland than just control and order.

by v-yadli 12y ago

chaostheory 12y ago

> I'd suggest you do some research on this: where's all the information hiding in the Chinese internet? It's just that, things work quite different here in China... In your posts (the previous one and your last one) you were essentially saying that mainland Chinese do things differently, but it was just as good. Well I've listed specific reasons as to why it's not as good as the way things are in the West. Your current example about 100 replies to your post is like the number of projects on csdn.net; it's just not impressive like other things in China like the pace and scope of Chinese construction (e.g. the 3 Gorges dam) or China's ambition for manned moon landings... and again it has nothing to do with skill or talent. It's just mainland Chinese culture.

v-yadli 12y ago
> but it was just as good No. Read it again. It's neither good nor bad to me. I'll apologize if my wording is confusing. > it's just not impressive like other things... Trivially true. Universally applicable. Nonsense. > It's just mainland Chinese culture Agree. What I really want is to expose the underlying details about how things work here. It's not just simply 'different' in one or two parameters. It's not about good or bad. You can say it's bad, I've got no problem with it. But I really want to say that it's interesting, and it's not just China. The fareast countries are similar. (Well talking about quality do you really think I'm arguing that pudn is good? Chinese open source is good? Why would you assume me that kind of person after all? :-)
- chaostheory 12y ago
  > It's neither good nor bad to me. I'll apologize if my wording is confusing. Ok then I guess I don't understand your point/purpose of posting that then. From my point of view, it seemed like you were providing an argument against what I previously posted. > What I really want is to expose the underlying details about how things work here. I think I've already done a good job of that myself ;) > It's not just simply 'different' in one or two parameters. It's not about good or bad. It is bad and it's not subtle bad; it's pretty obvious, glaring, and embarrasingly bad. Again here are the reasons why I feel that it's pathetic that China is just one big photocopier: 1. As everyone has already mentioned, most of the population in China are very capable when it comes to anything technical, making stuff, or hacking it. The skill and talent are both there. 2. China dwarfs everyone when it comes to population. 3. Recapping, China has a lot more people than every other country and proportionally it even has a more skilled population due to many factors; yet most of the innovation still happens Outside of China. China always follows. It never leads in innovation. > But I really want to say that it's interesting, and it's not just China. The fareast countries are similar. I disagree. I would say that both Japan and Korea are ahead. Japan is still pretty original, and while Korea does some copying for the most part they also innovate (You can even see it in their films and shows). China's current predicament is the price for having a totalitarian way of life, where too many ideas are censored by the CCP. Maybe one day China can mitigate the lack of creativity by either allowing more freedom or by importing enough foreigners like Singapore... I kind of doubt it though given the CCP's paranoia and the current laws concerning ownership if you're not a citizen. What will happen in HK will have more repercussions for the mainland than just control and order.